Immortal Moments in Cardinals History: Famous & Forgotten

Arnold Stricker: 00:00:00

Okay, all you St. Louis Cardinal fans out there, let's see what your trivia is like. Do you know the name of the pitcher who hurled a no hitter in his first start?

He won 27 games the next season. Do you know that person? You're going to find out who it is on St. Louis in Tune. Welcome to St.

Louis in Tune and thank, thank you for joining us for fresh perspectives on issues and events with experts, community leaders and everyday people who make a difference in shaping our society and world. I'm Arnold Stricker along with co host Mark Langston.

Mark Langston: 00:00:44

Mark, it's great to be here. It's going to be a fun show today.

Arnold Stricker: 00:00:48

It is.

Mark Langston: 00:00:49

Yeah.

Arnold Stricker: 00:00:49

Especially if you're a Cardinal baseball fan. And if you're not, you're still going to have a fun time today because our guests are just. They've lived Cardinal baseball.

They lived Cardinal baseball. But first of all, we're going to return to civility. Write down all the things that you've accomplished within a given period of time.

Make sure to include things you've done for others. It doesn't matter how small a task was, you'll feel great.

Because a lot of times you get to a point in life where maybe you're a little down and I would not use the word depressed, but sometimes things ebb and flow at different times of life. There's a book that's called the Stages of a Man's Life and things ebb and flow. There's even the stages of a woman's Life. Mark's laughing back there.

Mark Langston: 00:01:34

I know.

Arnold Stricker: 00:01:35

But things do ebb and flow and when you're down, it's always good.

Write those things down that you've accomplished within a given period of time because it really helps gain a perspective on life and where you are and what you've done.

Mark Langston: 00:01:50

Right.

Arnold Stricker: 00:01:50

Yeah, I think that's important.

Mark Langston: 00:01:52

I agree. I have nothing else. I've got nothing.

Arnold Stricker: 00:01:55

You got nothing to say that I say?

Mark Langston: 00:01:56

I agree.

Arnold Stricker: 00:01:57

Okay. You agree with that?

Mark Langston: 00:01:58

I do.

Arnold Stricker: 00:01:58

first Stan Musial home run in: 1957

And as an award winning baseball historian, he has written several books and has contributed to and edited many journals for the Society of American Baseball Research. He's also the author of 64 Cardinals & Co author of 10 Rings Stories of the St. Louis Cardinals World Championship. Welcome, Bob.

Ron Jacober: 00:02:26

Thank you.

Arnold Stricker: 00:02:27

And Ron Jacober, my favorite sports broadcast announcer, has covered Sports on radio and television.

For 47 years, he has broadcast Cardinal baseball, blues, hockey, college basketball on espn, college football, hundreds of soccer games, and covered the Olympics for CBS Radio.

Longtime sports director for KMOX Radio, he's a member of the St Louis Radio hall of Fame, the St Louis Media hall of Fame, the St Louis Sports hall of Fame, and the Missouri Sports hall of Fame.

Mark Langston: 00:02:53

Holy moly.

Arnold Stricker: 00:02:53

And you're a member of the St. Louis and Tune hall of Fame. Welcome, Ron.

Ron Jacober: 00:02:57

Thank you very much. I laugh at that because people ask me about those things and I say, yeah, it's nice. You're in the business for so many years.

They're going to give you awards. But I read a.

Mark Langston: 00:03:07

That's not true, Rod.

Ron Jacober: 00:03:09

I read a guy one time called, he wrote a story called in the Box, and he said, when you die, all that stuff off the walls, it's going to go in a box. And who will care at that point? It's nice, but I don't take it too seriously.

Arnold Stricker: 00:03:24

It shows that both of you have taken what you've done in your lives very seriously and you gave it your all. And. Which are part of the accolades. And this is the second edition, folks.

It's called Immortal Moments in Cardinals History, Famous and Forgotten highlights of the St. Louis Cardinals second edition. So it's been updated with some pictures, with some late things.

And Bob, tell us a little bit more about what's been updated in the book.

Bob Tiemann: 00:03:48

The first edition came out in: 2016

We put that in when Adam Wainwright pitched a complete game during the COVID season and he and Yadi put on masks so they could race on the. On the mound. The only people clapping were the visiting Cleveland Indians because everybody else was cardboard cutouts.

That's the moment that we remember. Albert's last big game here in St. Louis is fantastic finish. Those are some of the things that we've added.

Arnold Stricker: 00:04:28

Wow. And, Ron, you've done another, what I would call prelude to this or introduction.

Ron Jacober: 00:04:33

Yeah, I worked with Bob on three books. He's a master researcher. I call him a historical geek. And I think it's a compliment.

Bob Tiemann: 00:04:42

I'll take it as a compliment.

Ron Jacober: 00:04:44

ooperstown on baseball in the: 1880

Bob Tiemann: 00:04:54

Yeah, we get an Audience and everything.

Arnold Stricker: 00:04:56

So when I see a cover like this and when I see the title Famous and Forgotten highlights of the St. Louis Cardinals, what do you consider to be the most forgotten highlights of the Cardinals?

Bob Tiemann: 00:05:08

The book starts in: 1882

And their car was one of the few that was not wrecked. So they spent the morning up till the dawn helping rescue people who were in jail.

Ron Jacober: 00:05:36

They were first responders in effect.

Arnold Stricker: 00:05:38

Seriously.

Ron Jacober: 00:05:38

The manager got them off the train and they helped people out of the. The cars were turned over and things like that.

Arnold Stricker: 00:05:44

And when was that again?

Ron Jacober: 00:05:45

1911.

Arnold Stricker: 00:05:46

Wow.

Mark Langston: 00:05:46

That's amazing. That's great.

Arnold Stricker: 00:05:48

I had never heard that story.

Ron Jacober: 00:05:49

That's the idea. There are things in there that you've never heard of that turned out to be immortal because of what they did.

But there's a lot in there that everybody's. Not everybody most Cardinal fans are aware of, but a lot that are not. Especially in the earlier days. Right, Bob?

Arnold Stricker: 00:06:03

I think about what I opened the show up with was this discussion about Ted Breitenstein. Did I pronounce that correctly?

Bob Tiemann: 00:06:11

Yes, yes.

Arnold Stricker: 00:06:12

That's from my German class in University City High School. So thank you. Hair Klein, but he was called up from the minors.

Started the first game on the final day of a double header through a no no hitter against Louisville. Won 27 games. I've never heard of this guy. You hear about the daffing Dizzy Dean and my mom watched them. Medwick, the Gashouse gang, that whole crew.

But this is like way before. Like when they were the Browns maybe.

Bob Tiemann: 00:06:39

Yes, they were the Browns. They started as the Browns and they were owned by a very colorful and rather controversial guy named Chris Vonderraje.

And he went bankrupt and the team got bought by new ownership who wanted to change the culture. So they changed the color of the socks from brown to red. And after a year of calling, everybody called them the Perfectos.

em the Cardinals. So that was: 1900

Ron Jacober: 00:07:12

Yeah, Bob Brake tells the story. We don't know how accurate it is because I got to know Bob pretty well and he could make things up.

But he said, a woman said what a beautiful color of cardinal that is. And one of the Cardinal owners, it's a good idea.

So that's why they came up with the birds on the Bat, which turns out to be one of the more iconic, interesting sports logos in his. In professional sports, not just baseball, professional sports.

Mark Langston: 00:07:38

That's one of my favorites. Yeah, the birds on the bat.

Ron Jacober: 00:07:41

Oh, yeah, absolutely.

Mark Langston: 00:07:42

One of my best.

Bob Tiemann: 00:07:43

opt the birds on the bat till: 1922

Ron Jacober: 00:07:46

Yeah.

Mark Langston: 00:07:47

So fascinating.

Bob Tiemann: 00:07:47

They were called the Cardinals long before they were associated with birds. I've even seen sports cartoons where the Cardinals are depicted as Catholic prelates.

Ron Jacober: 00:07:58

Luring miters, of course.

Mark Langston: 00:08:00

Okay, great. We got a lot of Catholics in St. Louis, but you have to have.

Ron Jacober: 00:08:07

The Cardinal religion if you're going to be in St. Louis.

Mark Langston: 00:08:09

That's right. Oh, look at that.

Ron Jacober: 00:08:11

Opening day is a holy day of obligation. And there's no question about that now.

Mark Langston: 00:08:18

It is. It should be a day off.

Arnold Stricker: 00:08:19

I think it should be in St. Louis. More of a holiday. Right.

Mark Langston: 00:08:23

No question about it.

Arnold Stricker: 00:08:24

Now, Ron mentioned, Bob, that you spent years and years going through microfilm and micro. I would go microfiche and probably doing even before that getting the hard books and going through old newspapers and things like that.

When did that start for you? What was this? Were you a historian at heart from when you were a teenager?

Bob Tiemann: 00:08:44

I was a historian at heart. Went and got a degree in history. Majored in history. But in those days, you couldn't be a historian of baseball academically. But I was just hooked.

So I would go down and I wanted to get all the games that just which games counted, which games didn't, which was mostly involved controversies from the 19th century. The only place to do that was in the library, build big bound volumes of newspapers or microfilms.

And so I wasted away my youth basically doing that sort of thing, by the way.

Arnold Stricker: 00:09:22

Stayed out of trouble, more or less. Yeah. Was that at Cooperstown you did that, or was that here in the central library here?

Bob Tiemann: 00:09:28

That was mostly in California, where I was living at the time. And then I moved back to St. Louis when I was in my early 30s and kept doing it through there.

Arnold Stricker: 00:09:39

Okay, and you started. I need to put this down into a book, because nobody's got any information on this. Is that what you did?

Bob Tiemann: 00:09:46

It was mostly to distribute to people that were doing the encyclopedias, the first baseball encyclopedias.

Arnold Stricker: 00:09:54

Okay.

Bob Tiemann: 00:09:55

with Ready Press in the early: 2000

Ron Jacober: 00:10:07

So there's a group called Society of American Baseball Research, and that's what Bob's really involved with.

Arnold Stricker: 00:10:14

But then didn't they put out books.

Bob Tiemann: 00:10:15

They do, but at the time they didn't really. Now they put out lots of ebooks that you can get printed versions, but mostly it's just for downloading.

Mark Langston: 00:10:25

I like the Reedy Press book, though, that you guys did because I can hold it in my hand. I like the pictures. It's a lot. I like.

Ron Jacober: 00:10:33

Yeah, this is our third hardcover coffee table type book. And the beauty of these books, Reedy Press does a great job getting the photos. Yes, there's over 200 pictures in there.

And these are not easy to acquire.

Arnold Stricker: 00:10:45

No, some of these rare.

Ron Jacober: 00:10:46

They have to buy a lot of them. Some are public domain. But I remember when we did 64 cardinals. Bob and I were doing a book signing at St.

Louis County Library and there was a Cardinal front office guy there and he came up to me afterwards, said, where did you get all these pictures? And I said, they had to buy them. Oh, okay. He thought we stole them from somebody.

Arnold Stricker: 00:11:09

No, you guys didn't steal them. And by the way, folks, I reposted that 64 Cardinals interview that I did with Bob. That was a couple years ago, I think.

Bob Tiemann: 00:11:16

Yes, it was.

Arnold Stricker: 00:11:17

Yeah. And that was a fun time. So you can go back and listen to that@stlntune.com Ron, when did you get your start in broadcasting? How did that happen?

Ron Jacober: 00:11:24

This is a long story. I'll give you the Reader's Digest version.

Arnold Stricker: 00:11:27

Okay.

Ron Jacober: 00:11:27

It's a totally accidental career. I went to SIU Carbondale, majored in journalism. My first job out of college in the army was with the Auto Club of Missouri in public relations.

And I was calling, I was a young pup and I was calling on radio stations in September in the area with a public service campaign. Schools open, drive safely. And I was in Belleville at a station called wibb.

And the general manager said, you did some radio work in college, didn't you? I said, I had one one hour course as a lark. I always like a part time job. I said. When? He said, how about tonight?

I didn't do it tonight, but I came home and talked to my wife and I wound up working over there for two years, almost two years on weekends and working the other job five days. I was working seven days a week. And the legendary Bob Hardy, the news guy in St. Louis, lived over there and he heard me and he called me.

He said, I was ready to say, I can't do this. I can't do seven days a week anymore. And he said, we're looking for a part time guy at km. Would you Be interested. That was like God calling me.

So that's how that happened. And I want to work part time again on weekends at kmox. And it didn't take too long before they offered me a full time thing.

But the weird part of all that is I was a gopher. There was so much talent at kmyx, especially in sports in those days. I was just a staff announcer. I would go where they pointed me.

And Jay Randolph had been there and went to Channel 5. And I called him one day and said, Jay, I'm really, this is a great radio station, but I'm not getting anywhere. I'm frustrated.

If you hear everything, let me know. He said, oh my God. We're looking to hire another sports guy at Channel 5. When can you come over for an audition? I said, you tell me.

He said, how about: 10:30

And I went back to Bob Hyland, the legendary Robert Hyland. He gave him two weeks notice.

He gave me 30 minutes to get out of the building and made sure I didn't take the Rolodex because the Rolodex in sports in those days had all the phone numbers of all the high sports people in the country. And so that's how it started. And I wound up spending 18 years at Channel 5 and then almost 30 at KMLX. And that's how it started. A total accident.

If you asked me when I got out of college, you're going to do. I said, you got to be kidding me. But I really enjoyed it.

Arnold Stricker: 00:13:46

That's a great story. I remember seeing you on Channel 5. I think that was my first exposure to your career. And then listened to you on the sports open line on camo X. Yeah.

Ron Jacober: 00:13:55

I could really write. They always told me every place I worked, you're the best writer in the building. So I've always enjoyed writing. That's why this has been so much fun.

Arnold Stricker: 00:14:04

Wow.

Mark Langston: 00:14:04

I started at: 1260

Ron Jacober: 00:14:08

Did you really? I did, yeah, I did. A guy named Norm Greenberg.

Mark Langston: 00:14:11

Yeah, Norm Greenberg was our general manager.

Ron Jacober: 00:14:14

Greenberg said, how was I a part time job?

Mark Langston: 00:14:16

I don't know if he owned the place or not.

Ron Jacober: 00:14:17

He didn't know.

Mark Langston: 00:14:18

I don't think he didn't.

Ron Jacober: 00:14:18

Yeah, he didn't know. He was a general manager.

Mark Langston: 00:14:20

So that's how for years he was. Oh yeah. And a lot of very famous people went through there.

Ron Jacober: 00:14:25

Yeah, they did. You're Right about that. It was a good little station.

Mark Langston: 00:14:29

Yeah, it really was.

Ron Jacober: 00:14:30

But I tell young people all the time it's a total accident. So just. You gotta roll with it and take life as it comes. And in my case, I got very lucky because a few people opened doors for me.

He did Jay Randolph, Bob Highland, and goes on from there. So that's how it all happened, almost half a century. And I was lucky because I was one of those guys that stayed in the same market.

I had chances to leave. I had a chance to go to Chicago and San Francisco and all that. But we were happy here. Our kids loved the schools here.

And if you hear their sports in St. Louis, in those days, Camoix was the place to be.

Mark Langston: 00:15:08

Ron, are you from St. Louis?

Ron Jacober: 00:15:09

I'm from Highland, Illinois.

Mark Langston: 00:15:10

Okay.

Ron Jacober: 00:15:11

Which is 30 miles east. Small little German community.

Mark Langston: 00:15:15

Okay.

Ron Jacober: 00:15:15

So that's how it happened. I tell young people all the time, a total accident, but if the door is open, you gotta walk through it and you have to perform.

That's right, Because I tell a lot of interns, a lot of young people that I hired or came through. You have to do it like Joe Buck.

I was on a panel with Joe some time ago, and I said, I take credit for Joe's success, and he gives me part of his salary, too. When he signed with ESPN, it was something like 16, $17 million. He's. In some ways, he's more talented than Jack. Jack was different. They're different.

Total different personalities. Jack was a radio guy, and Joe is a TV guy. Jack tried to do television. He left Cam Wax to go to CBS to do a show called Grandstand.

Arnold Stricker: 00:16:05

Okay.

Ron Jacober: 00:16:06

And it was scripted, and that's just not Jack. And it just didn't work. It just didn't work. I really wanted the cardinal job when he left.

And they interviewed me, and they told me I finished second, but I think they told everybody they finished second. Then Jack came back after one year at CBS Television and finished his career. I got to know Jack really well late in his life. Maybe the brightest.

Next to Bob Costas, Jack was the brightest guy I've ever worked with.

Arnold Stricker: 00:16:36

Wow.

Mark Langston: 00:16:37

That's.

Arnold Stricker: 00:16:37

And you. I imagine you've rubbed shoulders with a lot of ballplayers, too, a little bit.

Bob Tiemann: 00:16:42

I'm not a big collector, autograph hound or memorabilia, so just a few that I've interviewed. A few.

Arnold Stricker: 00:16:50

Who stands out to you, Bob?

Bob Tiemann: 00:16:52

My favorite one, I lived in California, was Vita Blue.

Arnold Stricker: 00:16:56

Oh, yeah.

Bob Tiemann: 00:16:56

And I got to know him a little bit late in his life. Late in my life. When I was 60 and he was 60 about this. And he. His life after baseball was a lot of ups and downs, but he was pretty.

It was always optimistic, just a happy go lucky, almost too much kind of guy. And I just love the guy now.

Arnold Stricker: 00:17:17

Was he on the Kansas City Athletics before they moved to Oakland?

Bob Tiemann: 00:17:21

No, he was. He didn't make his debut till they had moved to Oakland.

Arnold Stricker: 00:17:24

Okay.

Bob Tiemann: 00:17:25

He was a big Rookie star. And: 1971

Arnold Stricker: 00:17:33

With the yellow baseballs. And now they're going to Las Vegas.

Ron Jacober: 00:17:36

They're going to Vegas. Yeah. Maybe they haven't built a stadium there. Yeah. But they've left Oakland.

And it's a tough story in Oakland because they lost the Raiders and they lost the athletics. DA's too. That city lost both of them.

Bob Tiemann: 00:17:50

And they lost the warriors to San Francisco.

Ron Jacober: 00:17:53

They could never get the stadium built there that they needed in 20 years. Voters kept voting it down and they couldn't get it built. The owners finally said, we got to get out of here.

And I've talked to you went to one of the last days games out there.

Bob Tiemann: 00:18:06

I went. Well last. When the Cardinals played in Oakland this last spring. I said I gotta go.

Arnold Stricker: 00:18:12

Just one.

Bob Tiemann: 00:18:13

Go to Oakland one more time. Cardinals games. There was one game, there was 9,000. That was a big crowd for them.

Arnold Stricker: 00:18:20

Wow.

Ron Jacober: 00:18:20

Although crowd would chat, tell the team.

Bob Tiemann: 00:18:22

Yeah, that would break out every two or three innings.

Ron Jacober: 00:18:25

Wow.

Bob Tiemann: 00:18:27

So the, the fans who were there, of course, I've got relatives that are still big A's fans out there. And they, you know, it's what they're crying on the outside and on the inside really. But they never really were a big draw.

The best, the only time they ever had any decent attendance was in the Tony LaRuss era when they were winning the championships then. But they were won three in a row championships in the 70s. World championships.

And you could walk up at game time, get a ticket right behind home plate.

Arnold Stricker: 00:19:03

Serious.

Bob Tiemann: 00:19:04

You didn't even look at what the seat was. You just sat wherever you wanted.

Ron Jacober: 00:19:07

Wow.

Bob Tiemann: 00:19:07

Because the place was almost crazy.

Ron Jacober: 00:19:09

It's like an old Browns game. People go to the Sportsman's park where you want to sit wherever you want to.

Arnold Stricker: 00:19:17

Just.

Ron Jacober: 00:19:18

Just get a ticket.

Arnold Stricker: 00:19:19

Maybe Cardinals this year too.

Ron Jacober: 00:19:20

Speaking of that, if you want some trivia, you know what happened 80 years ago right now?

Arnold Stricker: 00:19:24

What's that?

Ron Jacober: 00:19:25

Cardinals and Browns played in The World Series.

Arnold Stricker: 00:19:28

44 series.

Bob Tiemann: 00:19:29

Yeah.

Ron Jacober: 00:19:29

Yeah.

Arnold Stricker: 00:19:30

Wow.

Ron Jacober: 00:19:30

80 years ago.

Arnold Stricker: 00:19:31

The Sarno Stricker with Mark Langston of St. Louis in Tomb.

We're talking To Bob Thieman and Ron Jacober about the second edition Immortal moments in Cardinals history, Famous and forgotten highlights of the St. Louis Cardinals. Question, guys, we're going to go to break in about five minutes or so here. Three minutes here, Mark says. So I'll put that one.

I'll let you think about this one. When the book is, when you're getting all your stuff together, I know the publisher has a certain way they want to do certain things.

and: 2011

Do you give them the research that you've done and they plop the pictures down and do you say, no, this picture would look better here, or do they have total complete control of that?

Bob Tiemann: 00:20:21

They pretty much have complete control. They just give me a word count and certain games they could let me go over and then they fill out the pages with pictures.

Ron Jacober: 00:20:33

Yeah, they're very good at that, by the way.

Arnold Stricker: 00:20:34

Oh, yeah.

Ron Jacober: 00:20:35

Ready Press is a wonderful company. Locally they have about 200 titles currently in print around the country.

They don't do too many sports books or too many hardcover coffee table books, but it's like 100 things to do in Dallas for you die. The top 50 restaurants in Chicago.

It's that kind of thing they do most of the time, but they got involved with sports with us and they also do a blues.

Arnold Stricker: 00:21:00

Dan O'Neill does a blues book.

Ron Jacober: 00:21:03

So they've done a few more sports, but. But they do a great layout.

Arnold Stricker: 00:21:07

It's smart to get you guys involved on that because of the expertise that you both bring to that particular, this particular kind of thing. Wow, this is crazy.

Ron Jacober: 00:21:17

But it's fun to do.

Bob Tiemann: 00:21:18

It is.

Ron Jacober: 00:21:19

It really is fun to do. It's. It's hardly. I don't know how Bob feels about it, but it's hardly work.

Mark Langston: 00:21:25

That's the best way, isn't it?

Ron Jacober: 00:21:26

Yeah, because I like to write and Bob loves the research and it's, it's just fun to do.

Arnold Stricker: 00:21:31

Did he ever correct you or you correct him in any of the stuff that was here?

Ron Jacober: 00:21:35

He's corrected me a couple of times. Yeah.

Bob Tiemann: 00:21:37

And he's taught me a few things.

Ron Jacober: 00:21:39

So.

Bob Tiemann: 00:21:41

Stop me around a bit.

Ron Jacober: 00:21:42

But, but, but we, we've never argued about anything on it. It's just fun to do and, and people really enjoyed it. My favorite one was the 64 Cardinal book because of the way that season went.

And it was one of the most exciting and unusual seasons in Cardinal history.

It was because they were 10 games out with 30 games to play, 31 games to play, and won the pennant on the last day of the season against the lowly New York Mets, who were in last place. They lost Friday and Saturday to the Mets at Bush Stadium and had to win on Sunday. They won the game on Sunday. Gibson came back on very short rest.

Then they wound up beating the Yankees in seven games in the World Series.

Arnold Stricker: 00:22:25

Philadelphia helped him out with that.

Ron Jacober: 00:22:26

Philadelphia and Cincinnati both collapsed. Both collapsed down the stretch.

The fun from part for me in that book, the 64 Cardinal book, I was able to interview almost all the guys that were still living when we did that book. And now several of them had died since then. But that was the fun part, talking to them about.

And it was amazing the things they remembered, little minute things that they remembered. I remember the Tim McCarver, he had a three run home run in Yankee Stadium to win game five. Win game five.

And he described this home run like it would happen yesterday.

Arnold Stricker: 00:23:01

Wow.

Ron Jacober: 00:23:01

And he said, it was the single most exciting moment of my career.

Arnold Stricker: 00:23:05

Wow.

Ron Jacober: 00:23:05

And he was 21 years old as a catcher for the Cardinals.

Mark Langston: 00:23:09

Wow.

Ron Jacober: 00:23:09

But it was fun talking to those guys about that kind of thing. Dal Maxville caught the last out and the shardstop at the time yelled at him, don't drop it. And the second base umpire, but it.

Bob Tiemann: 00:23:21

Hits you in the coconut.

Ron Jacober: 00:23:22

Yeah, it hits you in the coconut. The second base umpire before the last out asked, maxie, if you win this, can I have your hat? The umpire asked him, wow.

So I asked, what happened to the baseball? He said, I have no idea.

Arnold Stricker: 00:23:36

Wow.

Ron Jacober: 00:23:37

But he said, when I'm running in, the umpire's chasing me, wanting my hat.

Arnold Stricker: 00:23:41

Give me my hat.

Ron Jacober: 00:23:41

When they were celebrating, we're going to.

Arnold Stricker: 00:23:43

Hear more stories from Ron and Bob. This is Arnold Stricker with Mark Langston of St. Louis in Tune. Don't go away. We'll be right back.

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Mark Langston: 00:25:50

They're just yakking folks.

Ron Jacober: 00:25:51

They're just yakity yak.

Mark Langston: 00:25:53

They just yacking in the background there.

Arnold Stricker: 00:25:56

What a great time we're having.

Ron Jacober: 00:25:57

I know.

Arnold Stricker: 00:25:58

With Bob Teeman and Ron Jacober about the book Immortal Moments in Cardinals History.

Mark Langston: 00:26:03

Can I, can I tell you what I love about the book?

Arnold Stricker: 00:26:05

Absolutely.

Mark Langston: 00:26:05

It starts in: 1882

Ron Jacober: 00:26:12

It's not like a novel. You can. There's no, not a continuous story. Each individual story, you can read one or two and put it down and.

Mark Langston: 00:26:20

Come back and it just moves along, which I really like about it. It's one of my favorite parts of that book. But there's a lot of great.

It's a great book, folks, if you like Cardinal baseball, and we're a Cardinal baseball family.

Ron Jacober: 00:26:33

Right.

Arnold Stricker: 00:26:34

Here's the: 1944

Bob Tiemann: 00:26:45

Yeah, Ed Wheatley.

Arnold Stricker: 00:26:46

What's that? Ed Wheatley.

Ron Jacober: 00:26:47

Yeah.

Arnold Stricker: 00:26:47

Ed's been on. Ed's been on like four or five times.

Ron Jacober: 00:26:50

He's a good friend. He's really a bright guy. And he's done a great job with Wrestling of the Chase and produced a couple of movies on that for pbs.

Bob Tiemann: 00:26:59

Yeah, he's quite a few books for Reavie too.

Ron Jacober: 00:27:02

Yeah, he has, yeah.

Arnold Stricker: 00:27:03

Now, as you've gone through this and as you have, you've done a lot of history with this, looking at, I'm going to ask you players that stand out to you, whether they be pitchers, batters, favorite moments, as you've done a lot of broadcasting and announcing and things like that. What are favorite moments?

Favorite moments for you, as you've been a fan throughout this, as a historian, looking with different kind of eyes that maybe a. A fan like Mark or I would be looking at the game.

Bob Tiemann: 00:27:32

with the Cardinals in: 1957

Ron Jacober: 00:27:41

He shut out the Dodgers. How many times?

Bob Tiemann: 00:27:43

was Larry then. Larry Jaster,: 1966

He shut out the Dodgers, who won the world, won the pennant that year, five times in one season.

Ron Jacober: 00:27:57

See, I knew he'd correct me because he. I was going to say his memory is so much better than me.

Bob Tiemann: 00:28:04

Those are the ones that kind of my niche sort of thing.

Arnold Stricker: 00:28:07

Because he didn't win very many games.

Ron Jacober: 00:28:09

No, he didn't.

Bob Tiemann: 00:28:09

No. Von McDaniel. Yeah, he won seven games that year and seven games the next year and.

Arnold Stricker: 00:28:13

His arm was shot, but man, he beat the Dodgers.

Bob Tiemann: 00:28:15

Yeah. And he pitched the one hitter, almost got a no hitter against the Pirates. And so he was. When he first came up. He was quite the.

Ron Jacober: 00:28:23

Yeah, he's quite a phenom.

Bob Tiemann: 00:28:24

Yeah, we pack, pack the house. They didn't sell out very many games, but instead of 15,000, they'd get 25,000 when Vaughn was pitching.

Arnold Stricker: 00:28:32

Wow, Ron.

Ron Jacober: 00:28:33

There are several. I grew up as a Musial fan. I was a right handed Musial in the backyard hitting make believe home runs over the garage. I got to know Stan really well.

My late father couldn't believe it when I told him we were on a first name basis. I used to do commercials for Stan the Man Inc. Which was his memorabilia company.

And on spring on a Sunday morning at Camox and one day the mail arrived and this big long box the mailman had and opened it up and it was a Musial bat signed to Iran from your friend Stan Musial. And I got tears in my eyes. My wife said, it's just a bat. I said, no, it's not just a bat, but I think Musial was one.

I got to know Gibson really well. Gibson was a hard guy to know.

Arnold Stricker: 00:29:12

Yeah, he kept people at arms distance.

Ron Jacober: 00:29:14

Let me tell you the media didn't talk to him the day before he was going to start. His own teammates didn't talk to him the day he was going to start. He was that intense.

But late after he retired he would do some post game shows with me on kmlx and our conversations off the air were much more interesting than on the air. But he told me hair raising stories about growing up as a black kid in Omaha and what he went through. And one quick story, he loved basketball.

He played for the Globetrotters one winter when the Cardinals signed him because they didn't pay him much money and wanted to play college basketball. His coach, a number of universities trying to get him a scholarship because he had no money.

They thought they had one at Kentucky and they were about ready to go to school and they get this letter from the coach at Kentucky saying we have filled our quota of Negroes and that was one. So he didn't get it. So almost at 11th hour Creighton, which was in Omaha knew about very well and they offered him a scholarship.

He was the only black guy on the team as the. And he was the best player on the team. But here. And I won't go into any great length on this but his stories about driving from Omaha to St.

Peter's reference train was unbelievable. He said we could buy gas anywhere but couldn't use restrooms. They had trouble finding places to eat. And when he get when he got to St.

Petersburg as a rookie, went to the team hotel and they kind of said you can't stay here. And told a cab driver to take him across town to the black part of St. Petersburg where all the black players were in a rooming house.

And it was stories like that that people said, well it was a long time ago, yeah, but it was in my lifetime that was that way. And so I got to know Brock really well too.

I did two or three television specials, 30, 30 minute hour long specials with Lou and he was so cooperative he'd do anything I asked him to do. Went to Cooperstown for his induction and there were several of them.

When you're reporting like I was doing, I tried not to get very close to him at those times because you had to be candid. One very quick Gibson story late in his career he got off to a tough start and I made some mention of it on 10 o'clock news on Channel 5.

Wasn't critical but I made some mention of it. So the next day I walked into the clubhouse and those guys hated if you were critical and didn't show up. And there were writers that wouldn't do it.

I won't name them, but I know who they were. And Gibson saw me from the other side of the locker room. He started yelling at me. There was a ripper with a short memory.

What have I done for you lately? And Joe Torrey was still here. He said, I think he wants to talk to you.

So I walked over, got into his locker, and as God is my witness, I don't know why I said this, why I had the courage to say it, but I said, bob, you're right. I do have a short memory. I can't remember the last time you won a game. And he looked at me for about 10 seconds and started to laugh.

He said, I can't remember it either, and gave me a hug. And after that, he was really good to me after that, but he knew it wouldn't intimidate me. And he loved to intimidate writers and broadcasters.

But I can't remember the last time you won.

Bob Tiemann: 00:32:16

And batters, too.

Ron Jacober: 00:32:17

And batters, too. Oh, yeah. Yeah. If you. If you try to show him up, you'd have one right under your chin.

Arnold Stricker: 00:32:22

What was the story? It was at Hank Aaron and Willie Mays.

Willie Mays told Hank Aaron, or Hank Aaron told Willie Mays, don't do this when Gibson's pitching or something like that, or. I can't remember exactly the story, but it was like, don't let him. He's gonna. He's gonna do this.

Ron Jacober: 00:32:35

And he used to go to fantasy camps in the wintertime, and some guy, I was told, showed up. I'm gonna get off Gibson. First pitch went right his chin. Wow. I was afraid to even stand in the batter's box after that.

Arnold Stricker: 00:32:48

No kidding.

Mark Langston: 00:32:48

Oh, yeah. I would be.

Arnold Stricker: 00:32:49

To say that you're gonna get a hit off Bob Gibson, that's like asking for it.

Ron Jacober: 00:32:53

Even if in a fantasy camp.

Mark Langston: 00:32:55

Yeah, that's nervy.

Bob Tiemann: 00:32:56

ibson when it just last year,: 1975

First pitch, plunked him in the butt.

Mark Langston: 00:33:10

Really is that.

Ron Jacober: 00:33:12

I love it. Gibby was probably the most incredible or intense athlete I've known, along with a couple of other guys non baseball.

Brian Sutter with the Blues and Larry Wilson with the old football Cardinals, playing.

Arnold Stricker: 00:33:26

With two broken arms.

Ron Jacober: 00:33:27

Yeah, I remember an interception with two broken hands in casts. But Gibson was so intense when he played. He just gave no quarter and asked.

Arnold Stricker: 00:33:37

Him that, you guys have You've covered baseball for a long time. My question deals with. Obviously, things go. They morph. Money gets more involved, fan support gets more involved.

Players, they beef up in different ways. So they specialize in certain ways. What has changed about the game the most from your perspective?

Bob Tiemann: 00:34:00

The money is really. In: 1886

They were playing against Chicago, the team that's now the Cubs. And the winning team got the whole Gabe receipts. So that. That was so $500. Most of those guys were making 2,000 about.

Arnold Stricker: 00:34:21

And in today's money, do we know what that would be?

Bob Tiemann: 00:34:24

No. But then: 2011

Ron Jacober: 00:34:32

Yeah.

The money is so big these days, and I would think that it's hard to manage these days because the players are making so much money, far more than the manager is making in most cases. And it's got to be a tough job. They always have to forget about what money's involved if they can do it, but they can't always do that.

Arnold Stricker: 00:34:51

I read have so much respect for Bob Gibson. Would get out there and just pitch and pitch and the games were two hours.

I always loved watching Bob Gibson when he was pitching because the games, they went by quickly. Nolan Ryan, same way he'd get up there, he'd probably throw 185 pitches, 200 pitches, come back three days later, pitch again. What is it with this?

I remember the 64 Cardinals, they had what, three relievers?

Ron Jacober: 00:35:14

Yeah.

Arnold Stricker: 00:35:15

And now we've got more relievers than we do.

Ron Jacober: 00:35:18

You have 13. They carry 13 pitchers. Yeah, they never carry 13 pitches.

Arnold Stricker: 00:35:21

Why can't these guys do what?

Ron Jacober: 00:35:23

Because they're trained to go five or six innings, really?

Bob Tiemann: 00:35:26

And go as hard as you can. Guys like Gibson would, despite how hard they threw, they'd have keep something back for when they really needed it.

Cy Young pitched for the Cardinals for a couple years and he was famous for. For his control, his fastball. But he got. He would be stronger at the end. He was like Gibson.

If you didn't get him in the first couple innings, you didn't have a shot because they knew how to play the whole pitch, the whole game, knew what they needed to save for the end.

Ron Jacober: 00:35:58

I think the worst thing that's happened to baseball is a radar gun because now they even post every. The speed of every pitch on the big scoreboard.

Arnold Stricker: 00:36:06

Right.

Ron Jacober: 00:36:06

You see it on tv. So there's so much emphasis on how hard they can throw. And that's what they do.

They get up, they throw as hard as they can and they last five or six innings.

But they're trained that way in the minor leagues even I'm told now back into college, if you can go five or six innings as a starter, you're pretty good. Gibson used to tell me, hell, I threw 160, 170 pitches a game. What's his hundred pitch stuff?

Arnold Stricker: 00:36:30

Exactly.

Ron Jacober: 00:36:30

Oh my God, he's doing 100 pitches. We got to get him out of there or less.

Arnold Stricker: 00:36:33

I don't know if it was his book that or it was somewhere another book that I had read, but it's. Hey, just pitch. Don't. You don't have to. You don't have to get them out yourself. There's eight other guys behind you that are playing the game also.

Mark Langston: 00:36:44

It was a concept.

Ron Jacober: 00:36:45

Yeah. So that's how the game. That's how the game has really changed, don't you think, Bob? Is the way the pitching is.

Bob Tiemann: 00:36:52

I'll agree with that. Definitely.

Ron Jacober: 00:36:54

You hardly see any complete games anymore.

Arnold Stricker: 00:36:56

No Cardinals.

Bob Tiemann: 00:36:57

Cardinals had zero this year.

Mark Langston: 00:36:58

You like the pitch clock? You like that pitch clock?

Bob Tiemann: 00:37:00

I do, yeah.

Ron Jacober: 00:37:02

It should improve the game.

Bob Tiemann: 00:37:03

The three hour and ten minute three to two game is.

Arnold Stricker: 00:37:07

That's because everybody has to adjust their gloves after each time they step out of the battery.

Ron Jacober: 00:37:11

We used to call it a human rain delay, you know, when they had to adjust the batting gloves. Yeah. It's taken 30 minutes off the games that they. Baseball did that study taking 30 minutes off the average length of a game. So I do like that.

And I don't know that the pitchers minded either because now they just get up and they get up and throw and the hitter has to be in the box because if he's not in there with 10 seconds to go, it's an automatic strike called on him.

Arnold Stricker: 00:37:37

The your perspectives on. I want to shift gears a little bit.

Same on baseball, but it deals with the umpires and we've got replay and used to be we didn't have replay and then we had umpires who. I won't mention any in particular. Angel Fernandez, who always had questions of.

Ron Jacober: 00:37:53

Worst umpire in the history of the game.

Arnold Stricker: 00:37:55

Yeah.

With all the media things now we're watching it from every different angle and even above, probably the only angle we're not watching it is from underneath the ground. What has that done to the game from your perspective?

Bob Tiemann: 00:38:06

hink that the umpire like the: 1880

otten so much better. Even by: 1900

Ron Jacober: 00:38:37

Yeah.

Bob Tiemann: 00:38:37

So they're on their top of their games. Really. I think that if you're going to go to an automatic strike zone.

Ron Jacober: 00:38:43

Yeah, that's going to happen.

Bob Tiemann: 00:38:44

That's pretty.

Ron Jacober: 00:38:44

One of my best friends is. Was an American league umpire for 33 years.

Arnold Stricker: 00:38:48

Dave Phillips.

Ron Jacober: 00:38:49

Dave Phillips, yeah. And we would talk about the strike zone. He said, I don't care what the rule book says, what baseball says. Every umpire strike zone is different.

So we're going to go to the automated strike zone now. They've been trying it in the minor leagues and they say it's working pretty well. So we'll see.

Arnold Stricker: 00:39:06

Interesting.

Ron Jacober: 00:39:07

Will be an umpire at home plate because he's got to make the calls and he has to relate what the computer tells him.

Arnold Stricker: 00:39:15

So the scoreboard operator could put the right count up there.

Bob Tiemann: 00:39:19

But the umpires, Even since the 60s.

Arnold Stricker: 00:39:22

I believe, is much improved because there's umpire school now.

Bob Tiemann: 00:39:26

There always were.

Ron Jacober: 00:39:26

There has been for a long time.

Arnold Stricker: 00:39:27

Oh, really? Okay.

Bob Tiemann: 00:39:28

At East World War II there have been umpire schools. So there's a preferred umpire schools for the big leagues that get most of their graduates.

Umpires, like the players, go through the minors, of course, work their way up and back. In the 30s and 40s, it was not uncommon for a X player to turn go right into big league umpiring.

And that didn't necessarily make for the best talent in blue.

Arnold Stricker: 00:39:58

Yeah. Do fans expect too much of their teams?

Bob Tiemann: 00:40:02

Oh, in St. Louis, definitely.

Ron Jacober: 00:40:04

Yeah, always.

Mark Langston: 00:40:05

Really?

Ron Jacober: 00:40:06

I guess not.

Arnold Stricker: 00:40:07

In Oakland.

Ron Jacober: 00:40:08

I'll be.

Bob Tiemann: 00:40:09

Not so much in Oakland.

Arnold Stricker: 00:40:10

Yeah.

Ron Jacober: 00:40:10

I'll be candid with you.

I hated to sit in the stands because I was sitting around all the experts around me and I just had to cut my ears sometimes because everybody knew everything. They knew more than the manager knew. They moved more than the umpires do.

So I never did enjoy in the last 20 years sitting in the stands for that reason. I go to the press box. But. And there were experts up there too, but they were. They weren't nearly as verbal as the people in the stands.

But yeah, there's no question fans expect a team to win every game.

Mark Langston: 00:40:39

Yeah. We're a bit spoiled here in St. Louis too.

Bob Tiemann: 00:40:41

We are too, because we've gone to.

Mark Langston: 00:40:43

So many playoffs and now we. A couple of years and now everybody's. Oh, get rid of everybody. Yeah.

Bob Tiemann: 00:40:51

In this century, the Cardinals have the fourth best winning record and the fourth best attendance. Now that's pretty amazing for a market this size. But we've also got probably the fourth most discontented oh fans when we don't win.

Mark Langston: 00:41:07

Right. So I'd like to see a World Series, though. I think we need a couple of more of those. They're starting to ease up towards us now.

We've got 11 and I don't know, there's a couple of teams getting close.

Bob Tiemann: 00:41:16

ook for Reedy, it came out in: 2011

Mark Langston: 00:41:26

That's great.

Ron Jacober: 00:41:27

That's how to do another one.

Bob Tiemann: 00:41:28

convinced them to put in the: 1886

The Browns beat the Cubs or the White Stockings they call them. So get all my little. My 19th century history.

Ron Jacober: 00:41:47

One of the things you got to pay attention to these days is broadcast revenue also because it's a big. It's the motor that drives pro sports and especially baseball and football too.

Baseball is different than the NFL because the NFL shares all the revenue. Baseball is different because you have your.

There is some shared revenue from national contracts, but usually you reap what you have in your local market. So there's a lot of the Yankees and the Dodgers. Someone figured out what their payroll was. It was over $300 million.

And so how can Kansas City or Pittsburgh or even St. Louis compete with that?

Now the other thing that's happened is because of the bally sports problem where they went bankrupt and they been taken over by the gambling company. But we'll see what happens with that.

Because the Cardinals were expected to get between 60 and $70 million next season for the television rights from Bally and they don't know whether that's going to happen or not.

Mark Langston: 00:42:46

A lot of money.

Ron Jacober: 00:42:47

It's really going to affect what they can do in this offseason.

It may turn out to be okay, but I think eventually Major League Baseball is going to take over all the broadcast revenue and try to share it equally, at least the national stuff among all the teams to try to create some equity because the smaller markets really struggle to have to compete with the Yankees, the Dodgers, even the Cubs and the big market teams.

Arnold Stricker: 00:43:15

I think of when we Used to watch Cardinal baseball games. Channel 5 used to. To put those on and Channel 11 did those 30 games a year is.

Ron Jacober: 00:43:22

All we did on Channel 5. Not every game's televised.

Arnold Stricker: 00:43:24

Yeah. And. But they were free. And now, then it was like, no, now you gotta buy the bally sports thing and you gotta buy this and buy.

I really sensed that at.

That was a point at which fan enthusiasm started to wane because they were watching the games and they were involved and kids could, you know, get involved. I don't see as many. Maybe it's me. I don't see as many kids playing baseball.

Ron Jacober: 00:43:48

Oh, no, not a chance. Not a chance. Kids playing catch in the yard.

Arnold Stricker: 00:43:52

Right.

Ron Jacober: 00:43:52

I can't remember the last time I saw that.

Mark Langston: 00:43:54

There's still radio, though. Radio is great.

Arnold Stricker: 00:43:56

Yeah.

Mark Langston: 00:43:57

We even do the Cardinals here at kxok. We do it in Spanish though. We do the Spanish broadcast. Yeah.

Arnold Stricker: 00:44:05

Which is why aren't kids more involved? The Cardinals have built these fields and basketball and football.

Bob Tiemann: 00:44:12

And phones.

Ron Jacober: 00:44:15

And phones. Social media.

Bob Tiemann: 00:44:17

Yeah. Kids. When parents won't let their kids just go out and play, it's got to be something organized.

Arnold Stricker: 00:44:26

So the NFL and the NBA are more organized than mlb?

Ron Jacober: 00:44:30

Oh, without question. In terms of broadcast. Oh, without question.

Arnold Stricker: 00:44:33

And money distribution and everything.

Ron Jacober: 00:44:35

Absolutely. The NFL shares. Even the Green Bay packers get as much and broadcast money as the New York Giants or Chicago Bears or Los Angeles Rams.

Because they share that. Now it's different because they only play 16, 17 games. Not that they're playing 162, but they share.

Their revenue plan is so, so superior to Major League Baseball. But you're dealing with so many more games too. That's the problem.

Arnold Stricker: 00:45:01

Right.

Ron Jacober: 00:45:01

And the size of the market impacts what you can and can't do broadcast wise.

Arnold Stricker: 00:45:07

Because I remember as kids, man, we'd play stickball, corkball.

Ron Jacober: 00:45:10

Oh.

Arnold Stricker: 00:45:10

Because you'd only maybe have two or three kids in the neighborhood who would get together and hey, we're going to go up here and play.

Ron Jacober: 00:45:16

And we had a vacant lot near my house and we just go play every day.

Arnold Stricker: 00:45:21

Right.

Ron Jacober: 00:45:21

But no more.

Arnold Stricker: 00:45:23

Did you play as a youngster?

Bob Tiemann: 00:45:24

Yeah, we had a street game in our neighborhood growing up in New Jersey and depending on how many kids showed up, what rules you used.

Arnold Stricker: 00:45:34

Yeah.

Ron Jacober: 00:45:35

Oh, yeah. You make them up. We used to play bottle caps.

Arnold Stricker: 00:45:38

Yeah. You can really get some nice curves out of bottle caps.

Ron Jacober: 00:45:39

You really can. I grew up in Highland, Illinois, which has a tavern on every other corner. And we used to go get the caps off the. From the taverns.

The bottle Caps off the beer bottles.

Arnold Stricker: 00:45:49

Yep.

Ron Jacober: 00:45:50

And you get a pitcher and a catcher and two or three guys that play out in the field and you try to hit the thing with a broomstick. Yeah, but it was baseball in a way.

Arnold Stricker: 00:45:58

And if you can hit a bottle cap with a broomstick. You had a really good eye.

Ron Jacober: 00:46:02

You did.

Mark Langston: 00:46:03

So Major league wants you.

Arnold Stricker: 00:46:06

Wow. Guys, this has just been a great time talking to you all. And have the greatest respect for what you've done and what you will continue to do.

We've been talking to Bob Thieman and Ron Jacober about the second edition Immortal moments in Cardinals history. Famous and forgotten highlights of the St. Louis Cardinals.

Ron Jacober: 00:46:23

It's available at all the good book stories and on Amazon and anywhere you got a good book.

Arnold Stricker: 00:46:28

Or you can go to Reedy Press. And I was also going to mention that you guys, you had a book signing the other night out at. Let's see, Ledue. No, Barnes and Noble.

You were out there. West county. Yesterday. Yesterday or a couple days ago. But you're going to be December 15th at the Barnes and Noble in Fenton. That's free.

That's December 15th. Sunday from 1:00 to 3:00pm we have.

Ron Jacober: 00:46:47

One this Friday too. Whoa. It's not on the list.

Bob Tiemann: 00:46:50

Barnes and Noble is opening a new store.

Mark Langston: 00:46:53

What?

Bob Tiemann: 00:46:53

In the Galleria.

Ron Jacober: 00:46:54

Galleria. Really? Really?

Mark Langston: 00:46:56

That's.

Bob Tiemann: 00:46:56

And it's not. I went by there yesterday and it's not open yet. They were. They were filming some promo and fillings. We may be the day they open.

Ron Jacober: 00:47:06

I don't know. We could be. But they've asked to have some authors there. We're going to do that on Friday from 1 to 3.

Arnold Stricker: 00:47:11

Okay.

Mark Langston: 00:47:11

That's exciting. It is a bookstore opening up. Usually closing down. Isn't it?

Arnold Stricker: 00:47:17

Yeah.

Ron Jacober: 00:47:17

I know.

Mark Langston: 00:47:18

That's fantastic.

Ron Jacober: 00:47:18

I understand it's a smaller version of the Barnes and Noble like at west county and Weimar.

Bob Tiemann: 00:47:23

Yeah.

Arnold Stricker: 00:47:24

Okay. All right.

Bob Tiemann: 00:47:24

Very good. It's a. Your typical mall storefront rather than a big.

Arnold Stricker: 00:47:32

You guys want to stick around for our.

Mark Langston: 00:47:33

What a fun time.

Arnold Stricker: 00:47:34

End of the show stuff.

Mark Langston: 00:47:35

What a fun.

Ron Jacober: 00:47:36

Sure.

Mark Langston: 00:47:36

Fun. Fun time here.

Arnold Stricker: 00:47:37

Mark. I'm gonna do the word of the day before you do your day of the day. So our word of the day is garnish. Garnishing food or drink, adding decorative or.

Ron Jacober: 00:47:44

Tasty touches are your game.

Arnold Stricker: 00:47:46

Yeah, yeah. Put a little garnish on that ball as it came into home play. Oh, what was that? Oh, the umpire haven't checked out.

So what days of the day do you have, Mark?

Mark Langston: 00:47:55

This goes well with our guest. It's National Author's Day. So they get that. A National Cook for your Pets Day. Who cooks for their pets?

Arnold Stricker: 00:48:06

I don't.

Mark Langston: 00:48:06

Do you cook for your pets?

Arnold Stricker: 00:48:07

I just poured out of the box.

Mark Langston: 00:48:08

A National Vinegar Day.

Ron Jacober: 00:48:10

Oh, I hate vinegar. Yeah.

Mark Langston: 00:48:13

World Vegan Day. Never.

Ron Jacober: 00:48:16

I hate vegan.

Mark Langston: 00:48:17

Did you? I never got that.

Arnold Stricker: 00:48:18

Ever.

Mark Langston: 00:48:19

I never got that either. I never in a million years.

Ron Jacober: 00:48:22

Show me some meat.

Mark Langston: 00:48:25

Nothing wrong with something like that. Let's see, we have National Deviled Egg Day.

Arnold Stricker: 00:48:30

Oh, I love deviled eggs.

Mark Langston: 00:48:31

I don't even know if I could make a deviled egg.

Arnold Stricker: 00:48:34

That's a mayonnaise, mustard and some eggs.

Ron Jacober: 00:48:36

It's hardly brain surgery. I think you could handle that, don't you think?

Bob Tiemann: 00:48:40

Yeah, I don't. I've never made deviled eggs myself because I've just eaten right out of the shell.

Mark Langston: 00:48:46

Yeah, right. How about Broadcast Traffic Professionals Day? This is your congress at work these days that are special approving these days. That's. Yeah.

So I mean, you gotta get to work. I never understood though. They do traffic on TV in the morning.

Ron Jacober: 00:49:04

I've said the same thing.

Mark Langston: 00:49:06

Have you?

Ron Jacober: 00:49:06

If you're in your car, you're not watching tv.

Mark Langston: 00:49:09

No.

Ron Jacober: 00:49:09

Who are you doing it for? Your wife or your husband that you left at home?

Mark Langston: 00:49:13

I don't get that.

Arnold Stricker: 00:49:14

And maybe before you leave.

Bob Tiemann: 00:49:15

Yeah, yeah, I do watch it before I leave. Yes.

Mark Langston: 00:49:19

Do you okay if I.

Bob Tiemann: 00:49:21

If I go out in the morning. Now that I'm retired, though, I have to worry.

Ron Jacober: 00:49:24

You still have a guy named Officer Don Miller?

Arnold Stricker: 00:49:25

Yeah.

Ron Jacober: 00:49:26

Oh, I flew the helicopter ever.

Arnold Stricker: 00:49:28

Yeah.

Mark Langston: 00:49:29

Oh, my goodness. Don Miller. Forgot about him. Yeah. National Bison Day. You like bison?

Arnold Stricker: 00:49:35

I do.

Mark Langston: 00:49:36

It's good for you, too. Is that right?

Ron Jacober: 00:49:37

It's pretty lean. Yeah.

Mark Langston: 00:49:39

All right. Okay.

Ron Jacober: 00:49:40

I eat kangaroo. Also.

Arnold Stricker: 00:49:41

I've never.

Ron Jacober: 00:49:42

In Australia with the electric. It's pretty lean, too.

Mark Langston: 00:49:45

Is that right?

Ron Jacober: 00:49:46

Doesn't taste like chicken either.

Arnold Stricker: 00:49:47

Yeah.

Ron Jacober: 00:49:50

I love it.

Mark Langston: 00:49:51

Okay. That's what deserves it, Mark.

Arnold Stricker: 00:49:54

I'm so old. I once got a phonograph record on the cereal box. You remember that?

Mark Langston: 00:49:58

No. Oh, yes, I do. Yeah, I do. We had to cut those out and.

Arnold Stricker: 00:50:02

Put them on and forget world peace. Visualize using your turn signal.

Mark Langston: 00:50:07

There's a. That's.

Arnold Stricker: 00:50:09

I hate people who can't let go of the past. Debt collectors are the worst.

Ron Jacober: 00:50:16

Wow.

Mark Langston: 00:50:17

I have to put up with disguise all the time.

Arnold Stricker: 00:50:21

If someone from the: 1950

I use it to look at pictures of cats and get into arguments with strangers.

Ron Jacober: 00:50:38

That's a good one.

Arnold Stricker: 00:50:41

Good judgment. It comes from experience, and experience that comes from poor judgment.

Mark Langston: 00:50:48

Wow.

Arnold Stricker: 00:50:51

That'S actually a good one. A woman walked into the kitchen to find her husband stalking around with a fly swatter. What are you doing? She asks. Hunting flies, he replied. Oh.

Killed any? She said. Yep. Three males, two females came the answer. Intrigued, the wife asked, how can you tell them apart?

Husband said, three were on a beer can, two were on the phone.

Mark Langston: 00:51:12

Wow. Wow, that's a tough room.

Arnold Stricker: 00:51:19

I really think it's time to take the warning labels off of everything and let stupidity work itself out of the gene pool.

Mark Langston: 00:51:28

Oh, God.

Arnold Stricker: 00:51:30

And lastly, let's see here.

Mark Langston: 00:51:31

Oh, thank goodness. Okay.

Arnold Stricker: 00:51:35

This woman is accused of attacking her husband with several of his guitars. The judge asked, first offender. She replied, no, first a Gibson. Second offender. Wow.

Mark Langston: 00:51:49

You are just in prime form today. I know it.

Arnold Stricker: 00:51:53

That's all for this hour, folks. We thank you for listening.

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Remember to keep seeking, keep learning, walk worthy, and let your light shine. For Saint Luc In Tune, I'm Arnold Stricker.

Bob Tiemann: 00:52:54

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