Don't Get Catfished: The Real Talk on Dating Scams with Patsy Roach

Arnold: 00:00:00

You may have received some email or some texts or phone calls that sound too good to be true. And, folks, sometimes they are. They are scams.

We're going to talk about one scam today that can be emotionally and financially draining, and that's dating scams right here on St. Luis and Tunes. Welcome to St. Louis in Tune.

And thank you for joining us for fresh perspectives on issues and events with experts, community leaders, and everyday people who make a difference in shaping our society and world. I'm Arnold Stricker along with co host Mark Langston. He's got a big grin on his face over there, folks. You can't see that.

Mark: 00:00:51

Yeah, I know. I'm hiding from the camera. It's better that way.

Arnold: 00:00:55

Your face for radio.

Mark: 00:00:57

That's right. That's right.

Arnold: 00:00:58

We all have faces for radio.

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Top of the morning to you or.

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Top of the morning to you, too.

Mark: 00:01:02

Whenever you're.

Arnold: 00:01:03

Whenever you're listening.

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Yeah.

Arnold: 00:01:05

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If you want to listen to previous shows, you can go to st.lintune.com Please help us continue to grow by leaving a review on our website, Apple Podcast or your preferred podcast platform. Our return to civility today is something that many people don't do. RSVP promptly to invitations.

Waiting until the last minute may give the impression that you're holding out to see if a better offer will come along. You'll also be of great assistance to the person who's planning the event. If you RSVP promptly to invitations.

Mark: 00:01:46

I'm with them. I'm with you on that.

Arnold: 00:01:48

Yeah.

Mark: 00:01:48

Why wait?

Arnold: 00:01:49

And that rsvp, I believe, if my memory serves me correctly, sometimes it doesn't. It's a French. It's an abbreviated French thing.

Mark: 00:01:59

That might be what's wrong with it all. Because it's French.

Patsy: 00:02:03

What?

Mark: 00:02:03

I do not understand.

Arnold: 00:02:05

I didn't understand the invitation.

Mark: 00:02:07

No, it's French. Is.

Arnold: 00:02:08

Yeah. Oui. Trebien.

Mark: 00:02:10

Je. I don't. Something.

Arnold: 00:02:12

Je.

Mark: 00:02:13

I don't know who Jean M. Is.

Arnold: 00:02:15

That means my name is.

Mark: 00:02:16

Oh, okay. Je.

Arnold: 00:02:17

I call myself that. Yes.

Mark: 00:02:19

Okay. But rsvp. I look at your calendar right away. It's on your phone, probably.

Arnold: 00:02:25

I think people maybe wait for other things or maybe they just don't plan that far ahead. They plan like an hour ahead or a day ahead.

Mark: 00:02:32

Oh, I'm lucky to get that far ahead. Yeah, I don't. Yeah, I don't know what I'm having for lunch yet.

Arnold: 00:02:40

We want you to know that waiting until the last minute may give the impression that you're holding out to see if a better offer will come along relates directly to what we're going to talk about today. Online dating scams. Oh my gosh. It's online scamming. And our guest is Patsy Roach. She's an author, blogger.

She has a podcast called the Pink Lady Against Scammers and she speaks about this particular issue. Patsy, welcome to St. Louis and Tune.

Patsy: 00:03:07

Oh, thank you so much. I'm excited to be here.

Arnold: 00:03:10

How did you get involved in going, I'm going to say going after online dating scammers. How did that all start about in.

Patsy: 00:03:20

The summer of: 2016

So I went ahead and signed up as a joke and right away I had a guy respond back to me and it was just a lot of love bombing and sweet talk. And of course he said he was in the military, which is a big scam. They always say, oh, on a peacekeeping mission, named that country.

And I didn't know anything and I just started emailing. His emails would be like really long. Oh, he's going to be retiring soon and he wants to, he'll move anywhere he finds the woman of his dreams.

My first thought was, I don't want you to move here if you don't know anybody. You'll smother me. And I can't stand that.

And so anyway, a day or two later I was at work showing my co worker this guy's picture because of course they're good looking. And she goes, is he in the military? And I go, yeah. And she goes, he's a scammer. I go, what are you talking about? She explains the whole thing.

Now I never lost any money, I never sent any money, but she was explaining this to me and I was just like, oh my God.

So I got home, googled his picture and it came up, it said a scammer across him saying this is a scammer and what it is, these guys steal these pictures offline and pretend to be these guys. So this kept happening because then I went to our time and then plenty of fish, which is the biggest one.

Arnold: 00:04:50

Repeat Those websites again, match.com match.com our.

Patsy: 00:04:54

Time, which is for people, older people. And then plenty of fish. And I refer to it as plenty of fakes because that's where I got a whole bunch of them.

And I would just share these text Messages with my hairdresser. I was like, nobody's going to believe this stuff these guys are saying.

And so I'd always wanted to start a blog, and this was my way in to start a blog. So I started just posting the screenshots of these conversations because nobody's gonna believe the love bombing and the garbage.

Arnold: 00:05:27

Okay, so you. We've got these legitimate websites for people who want to meet and maybe develop a relationship. But then you have these. What do I have?

Bottom feeders.

Mark: 00:05:37

Predators.

Arnold: 00:05:38

They're catfishing. Yes, they're catfishing. How about that one, Mark?

Mark: 00:05:41

That's good.

Arnold: 00:05:42

And they're on these legitimate websites trying to not have a relationship.

Patsy: 00:05:46

But get what sweet talk you make. You fall in love with them, and eventually they will ask you for money or gift cards or send them an iPhone, stuff like that. And they just. They.

For a very vulnerable woman, someone who. I don't like the word gullible. I hate that word. Because they're not. They're just lonely. Most of them are older, my age, heavy. I'm not heavy.

I'm voluptuous. But. But it's like they. That's who they target. And if you're someone that has not heard all this love talk and sweet talk.

Arnold: 00:06:23

So can you give us an example of some of this love talk and sweet talk? Because we have people who are listening and they're like, do they say I love you or you're gorgeous or blah, blah, blah. What do they say?

Patsy: 00:06:35

Most of it depends who you're talking to. A lot of them will stretch it out. Sweet talk. They'll be like, oh, gosh. Like, the first message I might get would be, hey, beautiful. Hey, gorgeous.

Hey, sexy. I had a good one the other day. I can't remember it. And it was. It's just. It starts out like that. So to me, that's your first red flag.

Arnold: 00:06:55

Right?

Patsy: 00:06:55

And then they'll just. They. They get this poems and sweet talk somewhere, as I found out later where it comes from.

Arnold: 00:07:03

Cut and paste.

Patsy: 00:07:05

Yeah. Yeah. They actually have a playbook, which we can talk about later, but just, oh, you're just so beautiful. Like the first guy.

I can't believe of all the men in St. Louis aren't just wanting to be with you. And they're very slick about it. Yeah.

Mark: 00:07:21

Laying it on thick.

Patsy: 00:07:22

Oh, yeah. And from right now, my conversations, when I actually talk to them on the phone over an app, it's like within 30 seconds or a minute. Oh, I love you.

Mark: 00:07:32

Oh, my.

Patsy: 00:07:33

Oh, yeah. The sweet talk, I always say, will Give you a cavity. It's so bad. No, serious, it is. And it is true. Because some of them will lay it on so thick.

And I'm. Right now, I play along.

Arnold: 00:07:49

Are most of these guys not within the continental United States?

Patsy: 00:07:53

No, there are several countries, but the main one is Nigeria. Really? There's Middle east, there's China, there's India, but the bulk of them that I've run into are Nigeria.

Arnold: 00:08:05

They don't realize that most American men aren't going to hit off with that kind of line right away.

Patsy: 00:08:11

Yeah.

Mark: 00:08:12

Have you strung them along enough to where they start asking for money?

Patsy: 00:08:16

Oh, yeah.

Mark: 00:08:17

So you go for a while with them.

Arnold: 00:08:19

lso, and it's Patsy P A T S Y: 3919

Patsy: 00:08:29

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Cause, well, I do.

Mark: 00:08:31

It's a sport, right?

Patsy: 00:08:32

It is. It's become a sport and a hobby. I started out doing Tik Tok several years ago, like four years ago, but I didn't do a whole lot.

And then I saw somebody who was reading their messages that they got from scammers. And I had all these audio conversations that I recorded that are on my YouTube. I thought maybe I should start uploading them to Tik Tok.

when I did, I went from like: 1200

So I'm on Clapper, but I still post on Tik Tok. But I. I get people in there, they just want to listen to me mess with the scammers. And I do play along.

I have a little mini Oscar my daughter bought when she was in LA a few years ago, and it says Best Mom. So I pull that out whenever I'm performing and everybody give her an award. And I like, hold up my. You can see all this on my videos.

But I do play along. And when they ask for a gift card, I send them a fake one.

Mark: 00:09:39

Do you?

Patsy: 00:09:40

With a receipt that one of my friends in California sent me. Because they'll always say, we'll send the receipt. And I'll always be like. Because I wear a blonde wig.

If I FaceTime them and I play dumb blonde, and I'm like, oh, I forgot the receipt. So somebody sent that to me and I send that to them. And then a little while later, they will come back.

Oh, hon, it doesn't work, you need to go back to the store. And that's when I lay in and I just say I send all scammers fake gift cards because it makes me laugh.

And then I start laughing and then I go and I know it makes you guys mad. And some will sit there, no, I'm not a scammer. Really. I have been lucky enough to get almost every one of them to finally admit.

Now I had one guy took a couple weeks recently, but I finally can get them to admit it. Now I have others that will send me a cash app. So I'll go to the cash app, screenshot it.

I had actually connected with cash app on Instagram and I had sent them these screenshots and they're like, we appreciate this, we'll take it from there. And they're like, in the future, just report the cash app. So I do that now and then again I come back, aha, you're a scammer.

And I, I am pretty hard on them sometimes. Most of the time. Now the ones that send me bank account numbers, those are my favorite. Oh yeah, because they think I'm gonna stop.

The one Prince of Dubai thought I was going to send him $25,000.

Mark: 00:11:09

The Prince of.

Patsy: 00:11:10

Oh, I get so many fakes. Prince of Dubai. Now most of mine now are from Instagram cuz I have a plenty of fish accounts still, but not much happens there.

But most of mine are, all of mine are from Instagram. I have a Suzanne Sugar Baker account. That's my name that I use. And the ugly blonde wig.

They follow me, I follow them back and then they start the messaging and so they will make a donation to their orphanage or for the Prince of Dubai, it's always the royal membership card so that I can go to Dubai, meet him and marry him and be his queen.

Mark: 00:11:45

Just like that.

Patsy: 00:11:45

Yeah.

Arnold: 00:11:46

Queen of Dubai.

Patsy: 00:11:47

Yeah. So anyway, when they give me bank account numbers, I save them.

I have a form letter and I put the screenshot of the bank account numbers on the back and I send it to the bank. If it's a national chain and there's one in St. Louis, I just send it here. But a couple weeks ago I had the most cool thing happen.

I got bank account numbers and I try to contact the people because I have a white pages subscription and a subscription to be verified so that you can look up stuff.

Mark: 00:12:15

Okay.

Patsy: 00:12:16

I found this one older lady, I think she was on the east coast. We'll use the name Margaret because we. She. I wanted to put the audio out, but she Was uncomfortable with that, and I was fine with it.

So we call her Margaret. And so I called, Got the answering machine, and I start my little spiel. Hi, I'm Patsy. I educate on how not to fall for online romance scammers.

This is what's going on. She picked up the phone. We were on the phone about 20 minutes. I have my group in boxes on TikTok, if you're familiar.

The one girl's husband is a vice president of a bank. I brought. I go get Mr. Suzanne, we call him. I go get him in here. We talked to her, explained to her everything that was going on.

Mark: 00:12:56

We.

Patsy: 00:12:56

What happened was somebody contacted her about donating to an orphanage, and she gave them the bank account numbers.

Arnold: 00:13:02

Oh, my.

Patsy: 00:13:03

So basically this guy was using her account to send money there, And I'm not sure how that works, but they guess they would get it out and send it to another account, which is like money laundering. They call them money meals. And so this lady is like our new best friend. She is just so appreciative.

She's just, oh, my God, you're just like an angel. And it's that kind of stuff. It gives me goosebumps. And I love hearing that. I've actually.

I know I help people, but to hear from her that I actually did help her. So she went to the bank the next day, closed out her account, went to Social Security, make sure that's all okay. And I have to check in with her.

I haven't checked in a while, but that was one of those instances that it's like, we really help people. And I know I do because I get messages, and that's great.

Arnold: 00:13:52

Identity theft is one thing, but when you've been scammed like that and you're expecting what your emotions are being tugged at, and like you said, there's. People have a need that they're trying to get met.

And whether it's just conversing or wanting to have somebody in their life like that, and then somebody's just really trying to rob them.

Mark: 00:14:11

I've heard of people like sending $30,000, losing $100,000. It's remarkable to me that somebody could be sucked in like that to where you lose that kind of money when you haven't even met someone.

Arnold: 00:14:26

In: 2023

Mark: 00:14:47

Wow.

Patsy: 00:14:47

Yeah. And to relate to the part about how you feel lonely and you Feel all that. And the eight.

Because I'm 62 and in the 80s, this is something I could have fallen for because, oh my God, I felt like everybody was getting married but me. And I want to get married and. Which is probably how I ended up with an idiot ex husband. But I have a wonderful daughter. But no, I.

So I can partially relate to how they feel because that's how I felt back then. But it was. As I get older, I got a whole lot wiser and I don't really need a man in my life. I got too much going on. I work full time and I do this.

Arnold: 00:15:24

And sometimes things happen at different points in people's lives. Like maybe somebody's widowed and they've had a very good relationship with the deceased person and they're very vulnerable at that point.

And that's when these people are the most effective. Or when you have a financial issue going on. I'll help you refinance your house or something like that. Take money out on your house.

But you got to send me X, Y and Z. Yeah. Well, this. Arnold Strick with Mark Langston of St. Luis and Tomb. We're talking to Patsy Roach.

She's an author, blogger, podcaster and speaker and she speaks about getting scammed via dating scams.

And her website is pinkladyagainstscammers.com pinkladyagainstscammers.Com now, you talked about a playbook that people, you know, they, they have their little shtick.

Patsy: 00:16:16

It's on my website. It's a PDF file. I finally found it last year.

Mark: 00:16:20

You found it? So it's out there.

Patsy: 00:16:22

Yeah, it's.

Arnold: 00:16:23

Somebody said it's gotta be a scammer dot com. Yes, right.

Patsy: 00:16:28

Somebody said it was on Amazon. I didn't find it on Amazon.

Mark: 00:16:31

Get your boiler room.

Patsy: 00:16:32

I finally found it. I had to sign up with a service to get it. No, it was a 30 day trial. So I'd never pay anything to get this to the PDF so I could get it.

So I have it out there for. And I share it everywhere. It's called you're gonna love this. It's how to make a white woman fall in love with you from online chat.

I should have brought it.

Mark: 00:16:52

Wow.

Patsy: 00:16:52

I can email it to you.

Mark: 00:16:54

Wow.

Patsy: 00:16:54

It's all the like, all the sweet talk. I use it back on them. I have it printed out, coil bounded on my desk. I read from it, I sing from it. And I cannot sing.

Oh, but these guys think I sing beautifully, you know, but it's all the sweet talk Lines, all the stuff that they should sing say, wow.

Mark: 00:17:12

Wow.

Patsy: 00:17:13

It's insane.

Mark: 00:17:14

I would love to see it.

Patsy: 00:17:15

It's insane.

Mark: 00:17:15

I would. I'd love to see it.

Patsy: 00:17:17

I have a picture of it when I hold it up and show them. Do you got your playbook? Let's get it out and read it together. Some will be, I don't know what you're talking about.

And others will be, where did you get that? Oh, when you like to know. And I'm sharing it with everybody.

Arnold: 00:17:29

Oh, yeah, I pulled it up. Folks, your hiking pictures are always amazing. Where's the best place to go around here?

Mark: 00:17:35

Oh, no.

Arnold: 00:17:36

I've been dying to get into rollerblading. It looks so fun. Gosh.

Mark: 00:17:40

Oh, my.

Patsy: 00:17:41

Yeah, but it's like a lot of. My favorite one is, do you have.

Arnold: 00:17:45

A sunburn or are you always this hot?

Patsy: 00:17:47

Yes. One of my favorites is if the world was made of chicken, you would be a hot wing. And I say it like that.

Arnold: 00:18:00

That's not even very good. Calling somebody a chicken. A hot wing to begin with there.

Patsy: 00:18:06

Yes.

Mark: 00:18:07

Wow.

Arnold: 00:18:08

My gosh. I never believed in love at first sight until I saw your profile picture. These are not even really good.

Patsy: 00:18:18

No.

Arnold: 00:18:19

So this is. So they go through this.

Patsy: 00:18:22

That's the tool that they use.

Arnold: 00:18:24

Really.

Patsy: 00:18:25

One of the things when you first meet them is, have you eaten? They'll say, have you eaten today?

Mark: 00:18:29

What?

Arnold: 00:18:30

Yeah, they ask you that.

Patsy: 00:18:31

They'll say, oh, have you eaten today? Yeah. And I make up some.

Mark: 00:18:34

I miss them.

Patsy: 00:18:34

Something obscure food that I have that I know they've never heard. And I can't say it on here.

Arnold: 00:18:39

Calamari. Calamari.

Patsy: 00:18:43

But it's so that they can establish a relationship with you. My one friend told me they. They're interested in, oh, what you eat today. I don't even ask my daughter that. Okay. It's stuff. Have you.

Are you don't get stressed? That's a big thing. They'll tell you. Now, I hope you're not. Because I tell them I'm a doctor, which I'm not, and I do vasectomies and other things.

And they'll be like, oh, I don't think they know what. What it is, but. And I'll just. They're like, oh, I hope you're not. I hope today wasn't stressful. I'm like, no, it's never stressful.

Trying to think some of the other crazy stuff. But have you eaten? That's the big one.

Arnold: 00:19:18

Really?

Patsy: 00:19:19

Yeah. Have you eaten now?

Arnold: 00:19:20

Do they send pictures? Do they. Do A video exchange with you as most as this is on an app. Right away.

Patsy: 00:19:28

Yeah, yeah.

Arnold: 00:19:29

Testing.

Patsy: 00:19:29

Yeah. Because I'm on. Not on Instagram. Move over to another app, which I tell people don't do, because at least on Instagram there's a record of it.

But if you go over to, say, Zanji, I use three of them. When I'm done with them and I block them, I can delete the conversation on both sides and it's in the abyss. It's gone forever.

So because I have that signal and telegram, and the only reason I take them over there is I can get away with saying more stuff that I can't on Instagram because Instagram is more monitored. Not that I'm bad.

Mark: 00:20:01

Oh, yes, you are.

Arnold: 00:20:04

Those are. You're leading them on.

Patsy: 00:20:06

Yes.

Arnold: 00:20:07

First scammer.

Patsy: 00:20:08

Yeah, I'm always open to video chatting. I put on my blonde wig and my dark rimmed glasses and I talk to them. I.

I used to do a Southern accent all the time, and then I switched to more terrible New York accent. I would. I just. I've got to drink some coffee. Okay. What are you doing? What do you mean?

I don't know if it's between Vinnie Barberino or Joey from you should have.

Mark: 00:20:32

Got an Academy Award, but I fake cry.

Patsy: 00:20:37

I do all the emotions, and then when I get off there, we all just laugh like crazy. But the way I do it is a lot of fun, and I take what I do very seriously.

But people need to hear how they talk to you and how quickly they fall in love and will ask for a gift card. The one guy that I was telling you about that I had a hard time finally getting him to admit he was a scammer. This went on for several weeks.

I have the series posted. I'm up to part 13. I have to break it up.

But the one at one, which I'm trying to find that one, is where he just basically was having a meltdown because we just. I just kept calling and being an annoying person, which I'm very good at. And so I just kept calling him. And finally he's leaving me alone.

Stop calling me. But I've got to find that video to put out. But he. I just kept saying, you're a scammer. You're a scam. No, I'm not. No, I'm not. You're.

I get told I'm mad. I said, yes, I am. You're crazy. Yes, I'm certified crazy. Yes, I am. And finally, the one night this guy broke. He showed Me, himself. And he finally.

Because I'm like, I have not had a scammer that didn't finally admit to me, well, it's my superpower.

Mark: 00:21:53

You break them down.

Patsy: 00:21:55

But this guy was. I said, I'm not giving up.

Arnold: 00:21:59

I want people to think that Patsy's doing this, making fun of people or leading them on or having a game with them. This is actually, frankly, it's a service that you're doing to prevent other people from getting caught up into this stuff.

You're actually providing some baseline information to give to people who might get taken in the book. It's called I want you, which is x'd out your money, a collection of stories about online romance scams.

And it's to me, some people, I don't want people to get the wrong impression that you're having fun at somebody else's expense. No, they're having. They're making money at other people's emotional and financial expense. And you're just drawing them out and you're exposing them.

That's what you're doing.

Patsy: 00:22:46

And that's one of the things. If I feel like I'm very conscious of not hurting people's feelings. I know two people in Nigeria. I met them on TikTok. They're wonderful men.

They're legitimate, they're real. The one actually moved to Canada for school. He's a clothing designer and the other guy is a comedian.

And I do every once in a while somebody will ask me, you do know there's nice people over there? I said, yes, I do. I don't want people to think the whole country is bad. Every country has their issue.

Arnold: 00:23:16

Our country has a lot of these scammers too. They just maybe know the game a little bit differently.

We're going to come back, we're going to talk a little bit more about scammers and how they work. This is the Pink lady against scammers. She shows women and men how not to fall on for online romance scammers.

I'd like to find out about the men portion about that. This is Arnold Stricker with Mark Langston of St. Louis in Tune. We'll be right back. As strange as it may sound, at better rate mortgage.

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She is the pink lady against scammers.com pink ladyagainstscammers.com and her book I want you which is X'd out your money a collection of stories against online romance scams can be found on Amazon.com and it is a detailed exploration of the methods scammers used to exploit emotions and finances. And we're talking about people who are generally older women, widows, maybe on Social Security.

But you also mentioned that men fall get taken on these things. Are there a lot of women scammers out there too?

Patsy: 00:25:31

Sometimes it's men pretending to be women.

Arnold: 00:25:34

Really?

Patsy: 00:25:34

Yeah. But I have a friend who was scammed and that's how he got in doing his thing on Tick Tock. His tag is Coastal Cowboy 79.

He and I really play well back and forth when we're on TikTok. He's a truck driver and he lives in one of the Carolinas. I can't remember which. And so he's not on as often. But he was scammed.

He was talking to someone online like.

Arnold: 00:25:58

The Russian Bride or something.

Patsy: 00:25:59

Oh, I got a good one for that. I have a story for everything.

Mark: 00:26:02

Good show.

Patsy: 00:26:03

But yeah, he was thought he was helping someone. I think it was a couple thousand dollars. And you would not believe that if you met him because he's such a. It happens to anybody.

It doesn't matter how smart. Are not vulnerable you are. It happens. But he got scammed out of a couple thousand dollars.

He thought he was helping somebody and then he found out later it was a scam. And so he's kind of, he's, I guess he calls himself a scam baiter which is what I do to a sense. But I'm trying to get people this is how they sound.

This is what they say. Don't we always say they don't love you, they love your money. And Cowboy always says when in doubt, black them Out.

You shouldn't have to pay for love.

Mark: 00:26:45

Wow. Like, all this is all right on.

Patsy: 00:26:48

Yeah.

Mark: 00:26:49

I have a friend. It's hard to believe. I have a friend. I have a guy friend.

And he just recently has been telling me, yeah, I've been talking to this girl in Miami, and she wants to come up and visit me. And I'm like, you're not going to send her any money for a ticket? Oh, no, I'll reimburse her when she gets here. I said, we'll see how that goes.

I go, are you sure? This is, like, all the up and up. I'm having trouble talking to a friend of mine and trying to shake sense into him.

Arnold: 00:27:15

Even on dating apps, people, I don't know, maybe they say that you can't post fake pictures. You must put a real picture on.

Mark: 00:27:24

How you're gonna.

Arnold: 00:27:25

But how are you gonna know? How are these people? These places are not even local right now.

Patsy: 00:27:29

There's Senate Bill 841, that Senator Marsha Blackburn from Tennessee and somebody else has gotten through committee, and then it just has to go through the House and Senate. But it's to go after online dating sites.

Mark: 00:27:44

Yay.

Patsy: 00:27:44

Now, the bill is very short. It's 11 pages. But to me, it's like reading IKEA instructions. It's just hard to digest. But they are finally. But they're only going after that.

It's not just online dating. It's other social media because they're Facebook, TikTok, LinkedIn. I get guys on TikTok that follow me. I'm like, I recognize that guy's picture.

Victor is a scammer. Chris Evans followed me. I know that's not Chris Evans.

Arnold: 00:28:07

Yeah. Chris Pratt. Prince Harry, Prince Andrew and Billy Idol really have contacted Patsy about dating.

Patsy: 00:28:15

My favorite is when they try to do a video. I remember the Billy Idol video. I was. I'm a big Billy Idol fan. And I remember I would know. This video is terrible. It's grainy. It's. And the lips.

And you can't hear anything. Or if they do talk. I know what Billy Idol sounds like. He doesn't sound Nigerian. I had a Chris Pratt Prince of Dubai.

Now, the one thing you got to watch out for now is artificial intelligence.

Arnold: 00:28:40

Right.

Patsy: 00:28:41

I had a fake Chris Evans do a video with Chris Evans voice to me, which is out on all my social media now. If you weren't educated about that, you would think this is the actual Chris Evans. I know it's not.

I may think the man is, like the most perfect man in the world. But he's not going to contact little old me as any celebrity.

And I always tell people, because they want to sell you the fan card so you can have 247 access. No, that's not going to happen. Or even the Royal membership card for royalty.

Arnold: 00:29:14

Yeah. Give us some of those kind of clues.

So what we want to do is put this information in people's heads because when they hear it, then they'll go, I remember hearing that on St. Louis and tune and Patsy was talking about that. Red flags go up.

Patsy: 00:29:26

Yeah.

Arnold: 00:29:27

So the Royal membership card.

Patsy: 00:29:28

The Royal membership card, that's all the fake Princes of Dubai.

Arnold: 00:29:31

Okay.

Patsy: 00:29:32

And they'll start talking to you and they'll say, in order for us to meet, you need to buy the Royal membership card, which could be anywhere from a thousand dollars on up.

Arnold: 00:29:40

Okay.

Patsy: 00:29:40

t I put out and My address is: 1313

Mark: 00:29:53

Yes.

Patsy: 00:29:54

e zip code for Beverly Hills,: 90210

And then I never use, use my name. And again, I wear my wig because I don't, I don't want to reveal my identity.

If they really wanted to find me, they probably could so that they could.

Arnold: 00:30:14

Get the 247 access to the celebrity.

Patsy: 00:30:17

Are the princes. I've had the England princes as well.

Arnold: 00:30:20

Okay. What other kinds of things do they do? Send me money so I can pay the ticket to come see you and visit you.

Patsy: 00:30:27

For some of the celebrities, like Chris Evans, the one time. Oh, I, I, I have this orphanage that I'm helping. Would you like to. Or whatever the charity of the day.

Arnold: 00:30:36

Is and really tug on people's hearts.

Patsy: 00:30:38

Yeah. Yeah. And any celebrity, not just my cougar crush, Chris Evans, it's any celebrity. And if they're. Oh my God, they're contacting me.

And again, the, one of the main things that we'll look for when you're texting or messaging them is the grammar and the misspelling.

I'm a secretary, so when I'm trying to read these on my lives every night, it gives me a headache because I'm so anal when it comes to correct writing and that. It's just, and then I try to read it and everybody, I go, look, I'll just post it. I can't read any.

It's all the same stuff, but the grammar's terrible. They never say, oh, hi, my name is Patsy. They'll say, hi, and Patsy, that's a big thing I get because sometimes I'll go back and say, I'm Suzanne.

But it's the grammar. The first greeting would be, hello, pretty. Hello, gorgeous. Any kind of sweet. When you first meet a guy, they're not going to say that.

You're lucky if they'll say your name. You'll be like. It'll be like, hi. Hey. Not to insult men. I am not. I am not. But they're not gonna, hey, sweetie. Hey, beautiful.

That's not going to be until probably a ways down the road.

Arnold: 00:31:49

One that really is hitting a lot of grandparents is they'll get a phone call that the grandchild has been in an accident or something. Or they pretend that they're the grandchild and hey, I need money. I'm caught in Mexico or some foreign country. Can you wire me some money?

Blah, blah, blah, blah. And they always tell people, what's the family word?

Patsy: 00:32:12

Yeah, you have to have a code. Yeah, yeah.

Arnold: 00:32:14

So what are some other pointers that you would give people to avoid? Like whether it comes through email. I got an text one this morning, matter of fact, and I constantly get.

And they always go to my spam file on my email. They constantly come that way, you've won this prize and blah, blah, blah. These aren't dating kinds of things.

But what are things people should actually look for?

Patsy: 00:32:34

Patsy, where I work, I worked in the IT department for 12 years, so I learned a lot there. Like, when you get an email, look at the extension. Okay. If Best Buy is sending you an email, it'll say bestbuy.com.

it's not going to say Best Buy, Gmail. You got to look at those kind of things. Don't click on links. That's a big thing they instill in us. Where I work, you don't click on links.

And we get tested every month because what could happen.

Arnold: 00:32:58

Tell people.

Patsy: 00:32:59

What could happen is then when you click on it, they can get access to your computer or your phone and do some major damage. I don't know if anybody saw the Jason Strantham movie. It was last year. The Beekeeper.

Arnold: 00:33:13

Yes.

Patsy: 00:33:13

And he was working for a late. I didn't. When I went and saw the movie, I didn't know what it was about. I just went. Because I like Jason Strand. Yeah. I like action films.

And so you find out that the lady that he works for who has money for this foundation? I think a million dollars. And they're this. They get contacted and saying hey, I need you to do this because your account's messed up.

Put this code in. But. And she did and all her accounts were wiped out and. And I think she committed suicide.

Arnold: 00:33:41

Yes.

Patsy: 00:33:41

Yeah. So that's very bad.

You never want to give out your passcodes and the banks will tell you we will not like when you call, we will not ask for your passcode, just all that kind of stuff. But look at the emails, look at the extensions and I tell people I put links in my emails.

But I also say a lot of times if you're uncomfortable just Google this and you will find my webpage.

Arnold: 00:34:02

A lot of places ask for two factor authentication too.

Patsy: 00:34:05

I do that on a lot of my stuff.

Mark: 00:34:07

Drives me me nuts but yeah helps you be secure.

Arnold: 00:34:11

Are there other kind of tips that you would recommend for people whether they come in on phone, email or however or via the usps?

Patsy: 00:34:18

The phone I have fun with but I'll if they call on my personal cell, I answer Ghostbusters. What do you want from Annie Potts in the first I like to mess with them.

Mark: 00:34:27

Hey morgue, you stab them, we slab them.

Arnold: 00:34:29

Yeah.

Patsy: 00:34:30

But what I do is when I get spam calls and ladies will send me numbers that scammers have sent them, I have an app number and we call them on my lives and a lot of times you get voicemail and we all sing Soft Kitty from Big Bang Theory and leave that message. I have gotten a hold of a couple guys.

Judy diamond from 103.3 posted on her Facebook last year someone tried to scam her dad and she put the phone numbers on there. And so I responded back to her, I said oh Judy, I I'll take care of this.

So that night we called and I got the call is online but it was weird because I I'm looking this phone number up and it says Houston, Texas. He doesn't sound far and he sounds American. So they are here some of them.

And so I'm talking to him but it's hard for me to talk to someone that might be real. I can talk to a scammer easily but. And I'm just like tongue tied. I don't I sound tongue tied.

And I'm making up all this crazy stuff when you can listen to it on my my YouTube. But I also I hung up and I'm like that was decade me the creeps. But then I had someone who could check on stuff like that.

And he said, yes, these are people that were being watched by the FBI. So it's. And then I did call one more time a couple months later. And then I just. To be.

Mark: 00:35:52

Couldn't help yourself.

Patsy: 00:35:53

That's what I do.

Arnold: 00:35:54

Just check it in on you.

Patsy: 00:35:55

Yeah. And then I. It was such a. Some stupid thing. Oh, I'm taking up a collection for the Vasectomy Society. But then I blocked it since.

But then I had sent all this to Judy. I said, here's the link, you can go listen to my call.

Mark: 00:36:08

Are you ever concerned for your safety?

Patsy: 00:36:11

I take precautions. I have vpn, which is a virtual private network. I have that with the new antivirus software that I got.

Mark: 00:36:19

Have you ever heard of any of these people retaliating against anyone? I have not.

Patsy: 00:36:23

One thing I do want to stress is, please do not send inappropriate pictures to these guys because they will blackmail you.

There was one young man last year or the year before who was 18, 19, thought he met this wonderful girl, sent pictures that he shouldn't have and they were blackmailing him. He got upset, he stepped in front of a train and killed himself.

Arnold: 00:36:47

Oh my gosh.

Patsy: 00:36:48

So you don't hear about that as often. But that kind of stuff does happen. Some people do get really dangerous, damaged by this. And I'm always willing to talk to anybody.

I always say, I can't get your money back. Nobody can. That's another story. I'm a good listener, believe it or not. I do listen when I'm not talking.

And then I will definitely make you laugh because I always say laughter is the best medicine. And then at the end of the call, I'm going to remind you that you're a phenomenal and wonderful person.

I'm very big on uplifting, both men and women, but I deal mostly with women. I want them to know you're worth everything. You're wonderful, you're fantastic.

But the hacker thing, you will see, guys, and I see these on my videos on Tick Tock and on Instagram they'll say, oh, I'm hacker Bob and I can get your money back. And I actually went as far on Instagram to play with the guy just to see, oh Yeah, I lost $5,000. And they do all this low hill.

Here's screenshots of this. And. And he goes, okay, we've located it. I just need 250 in Bitcoin to buy the software. Oh yeah, you're a software guy, you're a hacker.

You should have all the software.

Mark: 00:37:59

Yeah.

Patsy: 00:37:59

Oh, and so we tell Everybody, they cannot get your money back. And I have people posting on there, oh, Hacker Joe got my money back. I delete it. I go through and delete my.

Try to go through comments every day because I tell everybody, don't believe it. That is. That's a scammer pretending like he can get your money back, but he's a scammer.

Arnold: 00:38:15

Different kind of scammer.

Patsy: 00:38:16

Yeah.

Arnold: 00:38:16

If it's too good to be true, it's too good to be true. AI you mentioned AI. That's going to be a real problem down the road, and I hate to say this, that the government kind of needs to get some kind of.

Some kind of grip on what's going on because you got people who are putting faces on other people and creating bodies and creating voices and. And the Chris Pratt thing that you were talking about, Chris Evans, excuse me.

Patsy: 00:38:43

And Prince of Dubai and. Yeah.

Arnold: 00:38:45

So it's crazy. What do people do if they have received something like this? Rather, I think Mark and I, and you probably do too, delete a lot of them.

But should people report or if they've been scammed or who do they report to?

Patsy: 00:38:59

If you've been scammed and you sent money, you need to report it to the FBI. You can go to I. They collect all the information. They're not going to get your money back. But it's important to report it.

Mark: 00:39:13

I see.

Patsy: 00:39:14

I don't want to give misleading information, but from what I understand is if it's all. Maybe the stories are all similar, they may be able to. To break it down to, okay, it might be this area in Nigeria or.

But I always tell them, report it. It's a lot of questions.

Keep receipts, keep all your messages, keep any kind of communication, pictures, even though the pictures are stolen, Any and everything that you have, keep it.

Arnold: 00:39:42

And then you'll report it there, even if it's embarrassing.

Patsy: 00:39:47

Yeah. And I tell people, I said, I know this is embarrassing, and I talk about this in my life. I'll say, I know this is hard for you and you feel stupid.

It's the one person I talk to. I feel so stupid. And I always say, I understand that, but don't see the game now you can go out and help other people.

Arnold: 00:40:04

Exactly. I was thinking the exact same thing.

Patsy: 00:40:06

Because you. I get this question a lot. My mother's being scammed, but she won't believe me. And I'm like, I send all the documents that I gave you guys.

This says everything. Sit down with them. But they still don't want to believe. And I don't have. I don't think anybody has an answer.

I always say, unfortunately, it's probably like an alcoholic. You got to hit rock bottom before they will realize that. It's. It breaks my heart, but it's like I'm.

I'm happy to talk to them, but I don't think they'll listen to me either.

Mark: 00:40:35

Most of these are from out of town. I guess the scammers, they sound when they communicate. Are there any that are like in St.

Louis, they represent themselves as to be in your own hometown.

Patsy: 00:40:45

Plenty of fish. Because on the profiles it'll say St. Louis. And then. But then you find out I'm not actually I'm on. I'm on an oil rig. That's another dude.

Mark: 00:40:55

I'm from St. Louis, but I'm on it.

Patsy: 00:40:56

But then when you ask them, oh, what high school did you go to? Because that's the St. Louis question. And it takes them a while to answer because they got to Google a high school and then when they.

The one guy said a high school, I had to Google it myself. Okay, is this real? And it was a real high school, but he probably googled it. When it takes them a long time to answer a question, that's a big thing.

Arnold: 00:41:15

Wow.

Mark: 00:41:17

This is.

Arnold: 00:41:17

Folks, we want you to check out Patsy's podcast. She does a podcast also and it's. The website is pinkladyagainstscammers.com you can follow her on Tic Tac, Tick Tock. She's on Instagram.

t, Spotify, Stitcher, and the: 2023

Mark: 00:41:41

How often do you do the podcast? Weekly monthly.

Patsy: 00:41:44

I.

Mark: 00:41:44

Whenever you can.

Patsy: 00:41:45

I didn't do much the beginning of the year because I had a booth in February at the Working Woman Survival Show. So the last couple months of I was all focused on that, but we finally started back.

My first guest was in a couple weeks ago was a gentleman named Gypsy. He is a guy who's in the Army National Guard. He's also educating on TikTok and people use his photographs. He's always doing videos.

He always starts his videos, hello, my beautiful people. And he'll say, look, there's this out there. I don't follow you. Okay. If I get. You get a message from me, it's not me. So his pictures get used.

Mark: 00:42:22

So your library of podcasts are just. They're not time sensitive?

Patsy: 00:42:27

No, I want to get better at it because I have a co host now. It's a girl I met on Tick Tock. We've become really good friends. She's my co host now. Year I had two ladies who had been scammed.

The one was a lady in her 70s. She found me, wanted to come on my podcast and tell the story. And then there was another guy who found me again.

en on the Tamron hall show in: 2019

Now, I normally keep my podcast at 30 minutes, but that one was an hour and a half to two hours because nothing could be cut. And then he sent me all these pictures and I put them on my website so that you could see it was just an incredible story.

The other girl, Beth Hyland, she's been doing a lot of advocating. She's a girl younger than me, got scammed, college educated.

And I guess when she went to her financial advisor to get money, he was the one that said, I think you're better being scammed. So she is a prime example of someone who got scammed and is fighting it now. She posts all the time on LinkedIn.

She's going to come back to my podcast because she has a book coming out.

Arnold: 00:43:37

Okay.

Patsy: 00:43:37

And so I said, you got to come back. We want to talk to you again and promote your book. I'm good at promoting people on there. I have no problem.

Arnold: 00:43:45

And you're doing a service for people. Patsy's book is I want you your Money. A collection of stories against online romance scams. Check it out on Amazon, folks.

Mark: 00:43:57

It's hard to believe for me that a well educated man or woman can get scammed like this. I don't know why the bells and whistles don't go off. The red flags go up, the pink flags.

Patsy: 00:44:09

Yes, no, I agree it is hard to understand, but were you ever sucked.

Mark: 00:44:15

Into this whole thing? No. Not even.

Patsy: 00:44:17

I don't have money once. I don't have money and I don't even like to give it to my daughter. And she knows this.

Arnold: 00:44:23

Did you hear that girl?

Patsy: 00:44:24

Yeah, she knows. But no, I've never. I get asked that a lot. I said no. This was something that just came on a calling.

Mark: 00:44:32

It's a calling for you.

Patsy: 00:44:33

I love the movie Julia Julia, which is the story of Julie Powell, who was the blogger who cooked all of Julia Child's recipes. It's Meryl Streep, Stanley Tute, Amy Adams. And that was the reason I wanted to start blogging.

And when this opportunity came, it's like I have to Jump on it. It. It's really been quite a ride. I still put stuff on there, but mostly it's videos now and conversations so you can hear these idiots.

Arnold: 00:44:59

It's very interesting. I did watch some of the videos. It's very interesting.

Mark: 00:45:02

I would love to see some of.

Arnold: 00:45:03

Those videos, but we want you to stick around.

Patsy: 00:45:07

Sure.

Arnold: 00:45:07

Okay. But we're grateful that you came on the show and got Patsy's contact information. She emailed the show, Mark.

Mark: 00:45:14

Oh. Oh, is that right?

Arnold: 00:45:15

Yeah.

Mark: 00:45:15

Oh, good.

Patsy: 00:45:16

I do a lot of emailing. I can. I toot my horn about one thing. So I did a lot of letter emailing and stuff. And I heard back from the Tamarind Hall Show.

So I might be on the Tamron hall show in the fall.

Arnold: 00:45:29

Wow.

Patsy: 00:45:29

Yeah. They were just finishing up their season and the lady said, but we'd like to talk to you in August.

Mark: 00:45:34

We need a reference. Let us know.

Arnold: 00:45:35

Yeah, exactly.

Mark: 00:45:36

Yeah.

Arnold: 00:45:37

KSDK has done an interview.

Patsy: 00:45:39

Yes. I've been with them a couple times.

Arnold: 00:45:40

Yeah. And the Working Women's show.

Patsy: 00:45:43

That was fabulous. And it was funny because my interview on Channel 5 came out and then the next day was the Working Woman show. And people were like, I saw you on tv.

I got a lot of people, women just coming up telling me their stories. I did a lot of hugging. I'm a hugger. And people just sharing their stories. A couple people asked, would you come out and talk to places?

Arnold: 00:46:05

That's important, too.

Patsy: 00:46:06

Just tell me. I don't charge. I'm not in this for money, but I'll be happy to. So I'm waiting to hear back from some of them. Some of them more towards till the fall.

But it was just my daughter and her friend came and we just had a blast. They spent all my money, but I had to pay some money out of you. Yeah, they paid. They gave up three days, got up early.

I made my daughter drive because it's at the St. Charles Convention Center. But it was. I just met and people were just so appreciative and I gave out all kinds of stuff.

I gave koozies, bracelets, all kinds of headbands.

Mark: 00:46:38

I think it's great.

Patsy: 00:46:39

The bag that you got, which had everything in it.

Arnold: 00:46:41

The information's extremely valuable. It is extremely valuable.

Mark: 00:46:45

It's been fun reading. I know it is. It's amazing.

Patsy: 00:46:48

Thank you so much.

Arnold: 00:46:50

Our word of the day is Scammer Mark. Is it as in cheat a dishonest person who uses clever means to cheat others out of something of value? And here are some Synonyms.

Chiselet, fake, bilker, sham, imposter, charlatan, trickster, faker, quack, rogue, scamster, defrauder, fraudster, double dealer, double crosser, slickster, plotter, quack, salver, wheeler dealer.

Patsy: 00:47:24

I'm gonna borrow those?

Mark: 00:47:26

Yeah. Really? Yeah. She needs a list.

Arnold: 00:47:27

Here you go.

Patsy: 00:47:28

Thank you. I'm gonna borrow.

Mark: 00:47:30

She's got a list now. Another list.

Arnold: 00:47:34

You can use some of those ones that we can't even pronounce.

Patsy: 00:47:37

Yeah.

Arnold: 00:47:37

They're probably British.

Mark: 00:47:40

They probably are.

Arnold: 00:47:41

You have some days of the day is like. Is today the scamming day of the year?

Mark: 00:47:45

I was hoping. Sometimes that happens. It's National Apple Pie Day. You like apple pie? Not a big fan.

Arnold: 00:47:51

My wife makes a great apple pie.

Mark: 00:47:53

Does she? I'd have to get you one because I am not a big fan of apple pie.

Arnold: 00:47:56

I never was either, until I had hers.

Mark: 00:47:58

Is that right? Yes. She made you a believer?

Arnold: 00:48:00

Yes, she did.

Mark: 00:48:01

National Fruit Cocktail Day. That might fall into what you're talking about. Cough Drop Day. This is our Congress. Can't get this. What is it? Number 841 or whatever.

Patsy: 00:48:12

A Senate bill. 841?

Mark: 00:48:13

Yeah. I can't get that passed. But they've got Cough drop Day. Okay. Fair Trade Day. I don't know who you need to tell that to, but somebody.

National Crouton Day. Do you like croutons?

Patsy: 00:48:27

Love croutons.

Mark: 00:48:28

Do you? I do, too. Sometimes I eat them right out of the bag.

Patsy: 00:48:31

Guilty.

Mark: 00:48:32

Me, too. I'm guilty as charged.

Patsy: 00:48:33

And then my daughter. Where's the croutons? I don't know.

Mark: 00:48:35

I ate them all. I've been fighting different. Different. Different types, which are pretty good. National Frog Jumping Day.

Arnold: 00:48:43

Ooh, frog jumping.

Mark: 00:48:45

Yeah.

Arnold: 00:48:45

Especially if you're in a pan.

Mark: 00:48:46

Yeah.

Patsy: 00:48:47

Ooh.

Mark: 00:48:47

Ooh, frog legs. I'm not a big frog leg fan. This scares me. National Leprechaun Day. Leprechauns have always scared me.

There was a movie out about leprechauns, and I did not.

Patsy: 00:48:57

I didn't watch it, but I know what you're talking about.

Mark: 00:48:59

Oh, he was a scary little leprechaun. Man. I didn't like him. Again, receptionist day. Let's see. Bond with your dog day. You got a bond with your dog.

Arnold: 00:49:11

All the time, do you? Yep.

Mark: 00:49:12

Yep.

Arnold: 00:49:13

Every time you pick, you rub his ears. You rub her ears. Whichever gender dog you have. And it helps them. It makes them. It's like this high.

Mark: 00:49:23

Ah. All right. It's a dance like a Chicken Day. That's right. Let's Relieve, Relive fond memories and dance like a chicken. Okay. I think.

I don't know if there's a whole lot more that I could. National Night Shift workers day. Have you ever been a night shift worker?

Arnold: 00:49:43

I've been an evening shift worker.

Mark: 00:49:45

Now, that goes with third Shift workers day.

Arnold: 00:49:47

That would be third Shift workers day.

Mark: 00:49:48

Yes. But they got them both on the same. Like, one's a.

Arnold: 00:49:52

One wants to call it night shift, the other one wants to call it third shift.

Mark: 00:49:55

Oh. So you get that. Okay. Okay. National travel Insurance claims day. There's a scam. Yeah. It's just. I don't know. Yeah. Online romance day. That's all that.

We got it.

Arnold: 00:50:11

We got it.

Mark: 00:50:12

Join us as we celebrate virtual love on this special online romance day. This is online, and this is for positive it really, Because I know someone who actually had an online romance and it worked out.

Patsy: 00:50:25

I've had a couple on my podcast in the beginning who met their spouses because I didn't want it to sound like I'm dogging. I'm not. I just tell people, people, be safe on there and be smart.

Mark: 00:50:36

Yeah. I know somebody that probably going to get married. And I'm like, wow, where'd you all meet? Oh, we met online.

Arnold: 00:50:41

Yeah.

Mark: 00:50:41

I'm like, really?

Arnold: 00:50:42

Yeah.

Mark: 00:50:43

It worked. It can. It can work. It does work. Be careful. But. Yeah. Especially if they're live in St. Louis, but they're out of town right now.

Arnold: 00:50:54

On an oil rig.

Mark: 00:50:55

Right. Send me money so I get back off this oil rig. The helicopter's coming. I got to go. Okay. That's all.

Arnold: 00:51:02

don't want to party like it's: 1999

I want to shop like it's: 1999

Mark: 00:51:18

I'm sorry. We didn't run out of time.

Arnold: 00:51:20

Patsy, common sense is not a gift. It is a punishment because you have to deal with everyone who doesn't have it.

Mark: 00:51:27

That horse gets in here.

Arnold: 00:51:29

When your children are teenagers, it's important to have a dog so that someone in the house is happy to see you. My wife called to tell me she saw a fox on the way to work. I asked her how she knew it was on its way to work, and she hung up on me.

My ducks are absolutely not in a row. I don't even know where some of them are, and I'm pretty sure one of them is a pig.

Mark: 00:51:56

Oh, wow. Oh, that's a tough road I don't.

Arnold: 00:51:58

Understand how a cemetery can raise its funeral prices and blame it on the cost of living.

Mark: 00:52:03

Oh, my God. Wow, you are really bad.

Arnold: 00:52:11

If you can make someone's day, you should.

Patsy: 00:52:15

Okay, okay.

Arnold: 00:52:18

Now this is a good statement. It's not a funny. The pessimist complains about the wind. The optimist expects it to change. The realist adjusts the sales.

Mark: 00:52:27

Oh, yeah, that's good advice for a change.

Arnold: 00:52:32

And some other things that sometimes their behavior is the answer you need. That's a good one for our discussion today.

Mark: 00:52:40

I think that works.

Arnold: 00:52:42

Another one is sometimes you need to stop seeing the good in people and start seeing what they show you.

Mark: 00:52:49

That's right.

Arnold: 00:52:52

There is a reason why some people are not in your life anymore.

Mark: 00:52:59

Oh, boy.

Arnold: 00:53:00

I could see here. How about this one?

Mark: 00:53:03

Oh, there's more.

Arnold: 00:53:04

So we'll stop here. Politicians should wear sponsor jackets like NASCAR drivers. Then we know who owns them.

Mark: 00:53:17

Pretty scary.

Arnold: 00:53:19

It is very scary.

Mark: 00:53:20

I know it.

Arnold: 00:53:20

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